One of the problems is that the chelated metal can be even more effective than the unchelated metal is causing oxidation. This is particularly true of EDTA. I read somewhere (and wish I had written down the citation) that asymmetric chelating agents are less prone to this problem. I assume this is why we now see DTPA (diethylenetriaminepentaacetic acid) and similar compounds being used instead of EDTA in photo products. I am curious about your statement "my developer at 5gm/L", what developer are you using that has such a low concentration of sulfite. This is usually the concentration that one sees in the working solution of a one shot developer. -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Black Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:00 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Pyro in a Jobo Processor > The main source of metal impurities would be the sodium sulfite itself > rather than the water used to make the solution. Iron and copper are=20 > the metals usually implicated in the oxidation. > > A well stoppered bottle to keep the oxygen from the solution is=20 > probably the best solution Good point... I have had no problems so far keeping it as a saturated solution in glass bottles with white rubber lined phenolic caps. But when in my developer at 5gm/L it degrades within about a month, even in the presence of EDTA. JB =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.