DEAR NICHOLAS ET ALIA, The oxidized pyro developer we dump down the drain may very well have little environmental impact but I cannot accept, " Pyro's toxicity is really overblown." Please read all of page 59 of the second printing of THE BOOK OF PYRO by Gordon Hutchings. The second half of the page titled "CHEMICAL EFFECTS ON THE BODY" (of pyro) cites a number of studies supporting a number of pyro's deleterious effects on the nervous system as well as evidence that it may be mutagenic and carcinogenic. I, for one, will always err on the side of caution...I use gloves whenever using the dev and a respirator when mixing the powder. All I have to say to anyone who is cavalier about pyro, "It's your funeral!" sooner or later! CHEERS! BOB -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nicholas O. Lindan Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:31 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: "Green" Developer > And which would be considered the least environmentally friendly? A > Pyro variant? Pyro is probably the most environmental of the lot... Gallic acid comes from oak galls - produced by oak trees to fight off parasites. Boiling the galls gives you pyrogallol. Got an oak tree in the yard? The other ingredients are in smaller proportion than in any other developer. Per liter: PMK D-76 Metol 0.05 2.00 Pyro/HQ 0.50 5.00 Sulfites 0.10 100.00 Borates 6.00 16.00 Though 1 liter of D-76 will develop more film than a liter of PMK, it isn't anywhere in proportion to ingredient quantity. Pyro's toxicity is really overblown. The LD50 (rat) is around 1200 mg/kg. Compare that to table salt at 3000 mg/kg. Yes it is an irritant - it is supposed to be irritating - that was the oak tree's intent when it made the stuff. Contact with skin? Try this: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/bpc1911/acidum-pyro.html Not in current use, but still in the pharmacopoeia. Catechol? Better become a beef eater if you want to avoid it... http://www.ehow.com/about_4619323_catechol-in-bananas.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catechol == Nicholas O. Lindan Cleveland Engineering Design, LLC Cleveland, Ohio 44121 ============================================================================ ================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4647 (20091129) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.