Indeed. Actually, this is why in the Grey Star books, when you have a choice of a Jewelled Dagger (with +1CS ... or is it +2?) for your initial equipment, I always choose it and add the +2 when fighting, on the basis that I'm using it *with* my staff, as it always struck me as absurd that you would have an item which only gave you small CS bonus if you decided to fight without your staff, thus automatically losing 6CS! Your mileage may vary :) -- http://www.feline1.co.uk On Wed 29/06/11 3:35 AM , John TFS johntfs@xxxxxxxxxxx sent: Because it strikes me as absurd that Dever would create a bonus that caters exclusively to those players who refuse to master the Bow at Mentora level and beyond.