RE: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
- From: Katherine Moss <Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:45:50 +0000
I don't get it. I have the C# standard right here on my hard drive.
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 3:39 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
Judging that I sent it to the mailing list, yeah, i assumed so. It still holds
true though if you ever wanted more than the draft of the c++ standard.
On 8/19/2011 1:18 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
> Okay too far. You know that anybody could see that, right?
>
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> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:28 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>
> Maybe it's a language where you have to stand on your head and have sex while
> hanging upside down in a tree with Stroustrip to get the standard?
> On 8/19/2011 11:21 AM, Christopher Coale wrote:
>> What on earth is a "paid language"?
>>
>> On 8/19/2011 8:50 AM, Trouble wrote:
>>> Now this is really a joke. Before ASP and .net. Web designers used
>>> PHP, pearl, CGI html, and Apache web server ran on linix or unix.
>>> You can find thousands of web site source code showing this. Now why
>>> did they use these tools, not because they are all free, but because
>>> they did the job needed. There where no paid web languages until ASP
>>> and .net and they still don't rule the web.
>>>
>>> At 10:17 AM 8/19/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> If you choose to do php development it means that your customer
>>>>> has
>>>> not enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure he/she
>>>> will not pay you Jesus, what's with all these people ditching logic
>>>> class.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/19/2011 12:23 AM, Christopher Coale wrote:
>>>>> Really. You didn't? Did you look? Probably not. Let me help you:
>>>>> <http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=visual%2Bstudio%2Bphp
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=visual%2Bstudio%2Bphp
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like there is quite a bit of buzz about it. Now you are
>>>>> claiming that the only reason someone would choose to use PHP is
>>>>> because they are poor? That's certainly a new one and totally
>>>>> off-topic, but whatever. Someone would choose to use a $1k tool
>>>>> because it contains the set of features that meet their
>>>>> development needs. Simple as that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/18/2011 11:10 PM, black ares wrote:
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>> I didn't see some one using visual studio for php development.
>>>>>> And what you are saying is your point of view, not a professional
>>>>>> point of view.
>>>>>> Technically speaking, on the extreme side, you are right, you can
>>>>>> use what ever ide you want for doing development in what language
>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>> But explain me why some one will choose to use a 1000 $ tool
>>>>>> (like visual studio is) to do php development which is a free language.
>>>>>> If you choose to do php development it means that your customer
>>>>>> has not enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure
>>>>>> he/she will not pay you higher price you have because of the
>>>>>> visual studio you use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How ever, keeping the discussion in the technical view, I
>>>>>> reiterate the fact that I didn't see any one doing php
>>>>>> development on visual studio.
>>>>>> Can you show an example please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Coale"
>>>>>> <mailto:ccoale427@xxxxxxxxx><ccoale427@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><programmingblind@freelist
>>>>>> s
>>>>>> .org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:50 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with
>>>>>> jaws
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excuse me? Visual Studio is used extensively for web development
>>>>>>> by many, many professionals. Yes, yes you can "hookup with a
>>>>>>> specific IDE." HTML, PHP, ASP.net, etc. will all remain the same
>>>>>>> code no matter which IDE (or non-IDE) a developer uses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are totally wrong saying that just because someone uses
>>>>>>> Visual Studio as their IDE, they are bound to use Windows
>>>>>>> hosting. First of all, the person's choice of IDE does not
>>>>>>> determine which web host they use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering you are a professional in a field, you should know
>>>>>>> that HTML, PHP, JavaScript, CSS, ASP.net, etc. is the same
>>>>>>> language and/or set of technologies regardless of the IDE you use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/18/2011 10:20 PM, black ares wrote:
>>>>>>>> The question is bad from the begining.
>>>>>>>> You can not ask about a website development tool, giving
>>>>>>>> example vs 2008/2010.
>>>>>>>> The man enroles in a website evelopment diploma so he aims to
>>>>>>>> become a professional.
>>>>>>>> So, as a professional, you can not hook up with a specific ide,
>>>>>>>> because you must develop according to the project you have.
>>>>>>>> For this reason sometimes you will find yourself working with
>>>>>>>> php with mysql, other times with asp.net o n vs 2008/2010 or
>>>>>>>> whatever vs is out on that time.
>>>>>>>> So you must manage every of them.
>>>>>>>> Because, if you learn only on VS, you will be forced to use
>>>>>>>> windows hosting for example, to buy and pay for the development
>>>>>>>> tools and for the database tools.
>>>>>>>> Don't tell me that there are express editions, that ones are
>>>>>>>> toys for children.
>>>>>>>> As a professional I must know how to manage eclipse for
>>>>>>>> java/php development, how to manage vs for dotnet/aspnet
>>>>>>>> development, how to use notepad or other editor to do xhtml/html
>>>>>>>> layouts and so on.
>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RicksPlace"
>>>>>>>> <mailto:ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx><ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To:
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>>>>>>>> ts.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility
>>>>>>>> with jaws
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From what I have read and seen the VS 2008 or VWD 2008
>>>>>>>>> platform and the Sql Server or Sql Server Express (R2)
>>>>>>>>> versions because they are newer, are the most accessible
>>>>>>>>> development platform if you want a development IDE.
>>>>>>>>> Otherwise some folks develop in a editor like notepad.
>>>>>>>>> There are a bunch of stand-alone editors for building Websites
>>>>>>>>> but I've not used them so can't speak to accessibility.
>>>>>>>>> I would worry that they would try and do things like the VS
>>>>>>>>> Designers but that they would not have the necessary hooks or
>>>>>>>>> scripts to make them work at all.
>>>>>>>>> Also, if they try and do Intellisense they might have that
>>>>>>>>> inaccessible as well.
>>>>>>>>> Newer versions might use WPF or what ever the newer
>>>>>>>>> accessibility hooks for Linux and may not be accessible.
>>>>>>>>> It is my understanding that the Dreamweaver and other software
>>>>>>>>> put out by that compn=any was suppose to be getting more
>>>>>>>>> accessible but I've not used it and don't know anyone who has
>>>>>>>>> used it with a screen reader.
>>>>>>>>> I guess what I am saying is that I have tried a couple of
>>>>>>>>> other things over the past 10 years or so and not found one
>>>>>>>>> that has all the bells and whistles and is accessible as the
>>>>>>>>> VS environment. The 2010 version of anything put out by
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft is not going to be nearly as accessible as the 2008
>>>>>>>>> versions since the 2010 versions use WPF and none of the
>>>>>>>>> current screen readers support it very well. Also, the JAWS
>>>>>>>>> scripts for VS will not work properly with 2010 versions.
>>>>>>>>> It is likely your instructor will have you using whatever the
>>>>>>>>> class uses but if not you can either stay with what you know
>>>>>>>>> or try something new - it's up to you in that case.
>>>>>>>>> You could try developing using another IDE and, or, get into
>>>>>>>>> stuff like PHP and MySql using some kind of Website
>>>>>>>>> development environment but I have never looked at any of them.
>>>>>>>>> Others might have some suggestions on either hand-coding
>>>>>>>>> everything using text editors or using another platform like
>>>>>>>>> Dreamweaver or some Linux based system.
>>>>>>>>> Later Marv and good luck:
>>>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hunkin"
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx><startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><programmingblind@freel
>>>>>>>>> i
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>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:52 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: website and programming tools and acessibility with
>>>>>>>>> jaws
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>>>>> well enrolling in a diploma in website development.
>>>>>>>>>> and developing a website.
>>>>>>>>>> now what web site development tools, and which programming
>>>>>>>>>> tools which works best with Jaws?
>>>>>>>>>> visual basic, visual web developer, c#, dream weaver, vs
>>>>>>>>>> 2008, or 2010.
>>>>>>>>>> which works best with jaws?
>>>>>>>>>> marvin.
>>>>>>>>>> ps: will take your more expertise in this area.
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>>>> Ty
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