Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
- From: "E.J. Zufelt" <lists@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:21:57 -0400
FYI: Whitehouse.gov runs on PHP technology (Drupal).
Now, I know the US gov has a debt / deficit crisis, but still.
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On 2011-08-19, at 10:17 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> >If you choose to do php development it means that your customer has not
> >enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure he/she will not pay
> >you
> Jesus, what's with all these people ditching logic class.
>
> On 8/19/2011 12:23 AM, Christopher Coale wrote:
>>
>> Really. You didn't? Did you look? Probably not. Let me help you:
>> http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=visual%2Bstudio%2Bphp
>>
>> It seems like there is quite a bit of buzz about it. Now you are claiming
>> that the only reason someone would choose to use PHP is because they are
>> poor? That's certainly a new one and totally off-topic, but whatever.
>> Someone would choose to use a $1k tool because it contains the set of
>> features that meet their development needs. Simple as that.
>>
>> On 8/18/2011 11:10 PM, black ares wrote:
>>>
>>> Really?
>>> I didn't see some one using visual studio for php development.
>>> And what you are saying is your point of view, not a professional point of
>>> view.
>>> Technically speaking, on the extreme side, you are right, you can use what
>>> ever ide you want for doing development in what language you want.
>>> But explain me why some one will choose to use a 1000 $ tool (like visual
>>> studio is) to do php development which is a free language.
>>> If you choose to do php development it means that your customer has not
>>> enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure he/she will not pay
>>> you higher price you have because of the visual studio you use.
>>>
>>> How ever, keeping the discussion in the technical view, I reiterate the
>>> fact that I didn't see any one doing php development on visual studio.
>>> Can you show an example please?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Coale"
>>> <ccoale427@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>>>
>>>
>>>> Excuse me? Visual Studio is used extensively for web development by many,
>>>> many professionals. Yes, yes you can "hookup with a specific IDE." HTML,
>>>> PHP, ASP.net, etc. will all remain the same code no matter which IDE (or
>>>> non-IDE) a developer uses.
>>>>
>>>> You are totally wrong saying that just because someone uses Visual Studio
>>>> as their IDE, they are bound to use Windows hosting. First of all, the
>>>> person's choice of IDE does not determine which web host they use.
>>>>
>>>> Considering you are a professional in a field, you should know that HTML,
>>>> PHP, JavaScript, CSS, ASP.net, etc. is the same language and/or set of
>>>> technologies regardless of the IDE you use.
>>>>
>>>> On 8/18/2011 10:20 PM, black ares wrote:
>>>>> The question is bad from the begining.
>>>>> You can not ask about a website development tool, giving example vs
>>>>> 2008/2010.
>>>>> The man enroles in a website evelopment diploma so he aims to become a
>>>>> professional.
>>>>> So, as a professional, you can not hook up with a specific ide, because
>>>>> you must develop according to the project you have.
>>>>> For this reason sometimes you will find yourself working with php with
>>>>> mysql, other times with asp.net o n vs 2008/2010 or whatever vs is out on
>>>>> that time.
>>>>> So you must manage every of them.
>>>>> Because, if you learn only on VS, you will be forced to use windows
>>>>> hosting for example, to buy and pay for the development tools and for the
>>>>> database tools.
>>>>> Don't tell me that there are express editions, that ones are toys for
>>>>> children.
>>>>> As a professional I must know how to manage eclipse for java/php
>>>>> development, how to manage vs for dotnet/aspnet development, how to use
>>>>> notepad or other editor to do xhtml/html layouts and so on.
>>>>> best regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I have read and seen the VS 2008 or VWD 2008 platform and the
>>>>>> Sql Server or Sql Server Express (R2) versions because they are newer,
>>>>>> are the most accessible development platform if you want a development
>>>>>> IDE.
>>>>>> Otherwise some folks develop in a editor like notepad.
>>>>>> There are a bunch of stand-alone editors for building Websites but I've
>>>>>> not used them so can't speak to accessibility.
>>>>>> I would worry that they would try and do things like the VS Designers
>>>>>> but that they would not have the necessary hooks or scripts to make them
>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>>> Also, if they try and do Intellisense they might have that inaccessible
>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>> Newer versions might use WPF or what ever the newer accessibility hooks
>>>>>> for Linux and may not be accessible.
>>>>>> It is my understanding that the Dreamweaver and other software put out
>>>>>> by that compn=any was suppose to be getting more accessible but I've not
>>>>>> used it and don't know anyone who has used it with a
>>>>>> screen reader.
>>>>>> I guess what I am saying is that I have tried a couple of other things
>>>>>> over the past 10 years or so and not found one that has all the bells
>>>>>> and whistles and is accessible as the VS environment. The 2010 version
>>>>>> of anything put out by Microsoft is not going to be nearly as accessible
>>>>>> as the 2008 versions since the 2010 versions use WPF and none of the
>>>>>> current screen readers support it very well. Also, the JAWS scripts for
>>>>>> VS will not work properly with 2010 versions.
>>>>>> It is likely your instructor will have you using whatever the class uses
>>>>>> but if not you can either stay with what you know or try something new -
>>>>>> it's up to you in that case.
>>>>>> You could try developing using another IDE and, or, get into stuff like
>>>>>> PHP and MySql using some kind of Website development environment but I
>>>>>> have never looked at any of them.
>>>>>> Others might have some suggestions on either hand-coding everything
>>>>>> using text editors or using another platform like Dreamweaver or some
>>>>>> Linux based system.
>>>>>> Later Marv and good luck:
>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hunkin"
>>>>>> <startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:52 PM
>>>>>> Subject: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi.
>>>>>>> well enrolling in a diploma in website development.
>>>>>>> and developing a website.
>>>>>>> now what web site development tools, and which programming tools which
>>>>>>> works best with Jaws?
>>>>>>> visual basic, visual web developer, c#, dream weaver, vs 2008, or 2010.
>>>>>>> which works best with jaws?
>>>>>>> marvin.
>>>>>>> ps: will take your more expertise in this area.
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