Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
- From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:34:07 +0300
and what you think was the reasons behind the php /drupal choice for white hous
site?
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From: E.J. Zufelt
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
FYI: Whitehouse.gov runs on PHP technology (Drupal).
Now, I know the US gov has a debt / deficit crisis, but still.
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On 2011-08-19, at 10:17 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>If you choose to do php development it means that your customer has not
enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure he/she will not pay you
Jesus, what's with all these people ditching logic class.
On 8/19/2011 12:23 AM, Christopher Coale wrote:
Really. You didn't? Did you look? Probably not. Let me help you:
http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=visual%2Bstudio%2Bphp
It seems like there is quite a bit of buzz about it. Now you are claiming
that the only reason someone would choose to use PHP is because they are poor?
That's certainly a new one and totally off-topic, but whatever. Someone would
choose to use a $1k tool because it contains the set of features that meet
their development needs. Simple as that.
On 8/18/2011 11:10 PM, black ares wrote:
Really?
I didn't see some one using visual studio for php development.
And what you are saying is your point of view, not a professional point
of view.
Technically speaking, on the extreme side, you are right, you can use
what ever ide you want for doing development in what language you want.
But explain me why some one will choose to use a 1000 $ tool (like
visual studio is) to do php development which is a free language.
If you choose to do php development it means that your customer has not
enough money to afford a payed technology, so for sure he/she will not pay you
higher price you have because of the visual studio you use.
How ever, keeping the discussion in the technical view, I reiterate the
fact that I didn't see any one doing php development on visual studio.
Can you show an example please?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Coale"
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To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
Excuse me? Visual Studio is used extensively for web development by
many, many professionals. Yes, yes you can "hookup with a specific IDE." HTML,
PHP, ASP.net, etc. will all remain the same code no matter which IDE (or
non-IDE) a developer uses.
You are totally wrong saying that just because someone uses Visual
Studio as their IDE, they are bound to use Windows hosting. First of all, the
person's choice of IDE does not determine which web host they use.
Considering you are a professional in a field, you should know that
HTML, PHP, JavaScript, CSS, ASP.net, etc. is the same language and/or set of
technologies regardless of the IDE you use.
On 8/18/2011 10:20 PM, black ares wrote:
The question is bad from the begining.
You can not ask about a website development tool, giving example vs
2008/2010.
The man enroles in a website evelopment diploma so he aims to
become a professional.
So, as a professional, you can not hook up with a specific ide,
because you must develop according to the project you have.
For this reason sometimes you will find yourself working with php
with mysql, other times with asp.net o n vs 2008/2010 or whatever vs is out on
that time.
So you must manage every of them.
Because, if you learn only on VS, you will be forced to use windows
hosting for example, to buy and pay for the development tools and for the
database tools.
Don't tell me that there are express editions, that ones are toys
for children.
As a professional I must know how to manage eclipse for java/php
development, how to manage vs for dotnet/aspnet development, how to use notepad
or other editor to do xhtml/html layouts and so on.
best regards
----- Original Message ----- From: "RicksPlace"
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To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: website and programming tools and acessibility with
jaws
From what I have read and seen the VS 2008 or VWD 2008 platform
and the Sql Server or Sql Server Express (R2) versions because they are newer,
are the most accessible development platform if you want a development IDE.
Otherwise some folks develop in a editor like notepad.
There are a bunch of stand-alone editors for building Websites
but I've not used them so can't speak to accessibility.
I would worry that they would try and do things like the VS
Designers but that they would not have the necessary hooks or scripts to make
them work at all.
Also, if they try and do Intellisense they might have that
inaccessible as well.
Newer versions might use WPF or what ever the newer accessibility
hooks for Linux and may not be accessible.
It is my understanding that the Dreamweaver and other software
put out by that compn=any was suppose to be getting more accessible but I've
not used it and don't know anyone who has used it with a screen reader.
I guess what I am saying is that I have tried a couple of other
things over the past 10 years or so and not found one that has all the bells
and whistles and is accessible as the VS environment. The 2010 version of
anything put out by Microsoft is not going to be nearly as accessible as the
2008 versions since the 2010 versions use WPF and none of the current screen
readers support it very well. Also, the JAWS scripts for VS will not work
properly with 2010 versions.
It is likely your instructor will have you using whatever the
class uses but if not you can either stay with what you know or try something
new - it's up to you in that case.
You could try developing using another IDE and, or, get into
stuff like PHP and MySql using some kind of Website development environment but
I have never looked at any of them.
Others might have some suggestions on either hand-coding
everything using text editors or using another platform like Dreamweaver or
some Linux based system.
Later Marv and good luck:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hunkin"
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: website and programming tools and acessibility with jaws
hi.
well enrolling in a diploma in website development.
and developing a website.
now what web site development tools, and which programming
tools which works best with Jaws?
visual basic, visual web developer, c#, dream weaver, vs 2008,
or 2010.
which works best with jaws?
marvin.
ps: will take your more expertise in this area.
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