Hi, W3C promotes style sheets. 508 and W3C both say that your site must be usable with style sheets disabled. 508 never talks about how to write your code. W3C guidelines does. Here is paragraph (d) from 508. (d) Documents shall be organized so they are readable without requiring an associated style sheet. Here is what W3C says on this point. 6.1 Organize documents so they may be read without style sheets. For example, when an HTML document is rendered without associated style sheets, it must still be possible to read the document. [Priority 1] (Checkpoint 6.1) Most of the paragraphs of 508 exactly mirror the level 1 W3C guidelines. I am organizing my thoughts into a message to the list that I will send later. Hopefully, it will be clear enough to shed some light on the subject. No pun intended. Jim James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to wait until I think I can do it just right." "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez1@optonli ne.net> To Sent by: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx programmingblind- cc bounce@freelists. org Subject RE: web accessibility testing 10/09/2007 07:43 AM Please respond to programmingblind@ freelists.org When you say "style sheets" are you speaking of "cascading style sheets (CSS)"? If so, why would you want to "stay independent of style sheets". I thought that the w3c and 508 guidelines promote the use of style sheets. Can you enlighten me on this matter? Sincerely, Julio C. Perez Let us be aware of the source of being, common to us all and to all living things.” Thich Nhat Hanh jcperez1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robbie Miller Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 12:34 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: web accessibility testing Hello Léonie, I'll give this tool a try. Thanks. Robbie robbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Léonie Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: RE: web accessibility testing Robbie, For a foreground/background colour pair to show good contrast, they should pass tests for colour difference and brightness. The W3C provides two algorithms for working these out. Essentially, a colour pair must return a score of 500 or higher for colour difference and a score of 125 or higher for brightness. HP propose a slightly more lenient score of 400 for colour brightness, which is perfectly acceptable. There are several online tools you can use to test two colours, providing you have the hex colour codes. There's one on my site: http://www.tink.co.uk/content/colour_checker.php Regards, Léonie. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robbie Miller Sent: 05 October 2007 15:01 To: Blind Programming Subject: web accessibility testing Hello Listers, I've been asked to do an accessibility - section 508 evaluation of a web site. My question is, how can I test a page to see if it: 1.) "Remain Independent of Color" and 2.) "Stay Independent of Style Sheets"? Are there any tools I can use to do this? Any help on this would be appreciated. Also, if there are any resources on web accessibility testing, please let me know. Thank you. Robbie robbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ NOD32 2574 (20071005) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind V'�����l�w��f���ڝ�!jxʋ���m�x,j�m�����祊�l��?�+-��肶��)�nX�