RE: Web Page Editor for the Blind

  • From: dusty bray <dusty_bray@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:19:51 -0400

Yeah, you're definitely right, inthane-- it should have an option to turn off 
the sounds, but this version is severely lacking in many, many ways right now.  
i just wanted to give everyone an idea of how this system works.

And honestly, i think if i gave that option initially, then everyone would just 
turn it off and not actually try to make it work  smile.  i anticipate this 
being somewhat of a learning curve because the user has to build mental 
connections between a sound and its meaning.  In the same way, users had 
difficulty transitioning from command line to Windows based operating systems 
because the graphical symbols were totally unfamiliar at first.  But today, 
there exists a universally recognized set of graphics for identifying objects, 
and these graphics allow sighted users to work more efficiently now.  i see an 
opportunity to use background noises for the same purpose.  You could fit a lot 
of useful information in that empty space.

Of course, Windows has already tried to incorporate sounds into the interface, 
but these sounds were used very inappropriately.  Instead of associating 
objects with sounds, they associated actions with sounds, which gives 
information after the fact.  So even as i use this new system, i'm having to 
consciously reprogram myself not to think of these sounds as actions but as 
markers for object types.

But i do want to know if people find this particular set of sounds overbearing. 
 Should i adjust the volumes?  Can you hear the voice clearly over the sounds?

Also, did you ever recieve my original message??  That's really strange.  It's 
still programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, right?

Ok, well definitely give me your oppinion if you get a chance to use the 
software.  Thanks,

dusty.......




> From: inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Web Page Editor for the Blind
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:23:42 -0700
> 
> interesting, I got your reply to Dusty's message, but haven't received the 
> original even yet, hmmmmm!
> 
> I haven't tried your ap yet Dusty, but it would be nice if you could reverse 
> things, in other words, turn off the added sounds, and return it to full 
> speaking of the items, since I don't do well with sounds, maybe a check box 
> in an options menu/dialog for changing it, giving the user the choice?
> 
> regards,
> inthane
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John covici" <covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:49 PM
> Subject: Web Page Editor for the Blind
> 
> 
> >I wonder if it would work with hardware speech at all since the speech
> > and the sound may get out of sync?  Ever test this?
> >
> > on Wednesday 10/10/2007 dusty bray(dusty_bray@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote
> > >
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > i$,1rym looking for people to evaluate the Web page editor that 
> > > i$,1rym starting and give some feedback.
> > >
> > > i$,1rym incorporating some cool features into this program that i hope 
> > > will allow blind users to easily create content-rich Web pages. 
> > > i$,1rym especially excited about the mathematical expression editor. 
> > > And i think you$,1ryll enjoy some of the other surprises i$,1ryve 
> > > added.
> > >
> > > This application also introduces a new concept for quickly 
> > > differentiating between controls in the editor$,1rys interface. In 
> > > applications designed for sighted users, components are visually 
> > > distinct: buttons appear raised, text boxes appear inset, and each item 
> > > differs in some way that suggests its intended function. Page Designer 
> > > achieves this effect auditorily. The application plays programmatic 
> > > sounds in parallel with voice output to quickly identify both an 
> > > object$,1rys type and its value. So rather than speaking "OK button", 
> > > the editor speaks "OK" and plays a popping sound at the same moment, 
> > > effectively saving half the number of syllables. Textboxes are 
> > > associated with a tapping sound; picture boxes are accompanied by the 
> > > sound of a camera shutter; the volume of a radio button$,1rys sound 
> > > varies depending its selection state.
> > >
> > > Visit this link to download the application: 
> > > http://here-i-am.sourceforge.net/downloads/Here-I-Am_Page-Designer1.zip
> > > The executable is named here-i-am_page-designer.
> > >
> > > Please have patience with it.  This is only a beta version of the 
> > > program.  Also, the interface is very different and takes some getting 
> > > used to.
> > >
> > > i hate making concessions for JAWS, but i$,1ryve changed the 
> > > navigation keys to ensure my program doesn$,1ryt conflict.  As before, 
> > > the navigation model arranges content into a hierarchy with parent nodes 
> > > corresponding to higher levels of abstraction and child nodes 
> > > corresponding to lower levels of abstraction. To see more details of an 
> > > object, press spacebar. If at any point you becomes lost, pressing 
> > > Escape will move the selection up one level of abstraction, revealing a 
> > > "bigger picture".
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, this program is still far from the screen reader i 
> > > envision.  This is just a self-voicing application, and the objects do 
> > > not correspond to actual objects on the screen, so it probably lacks 
> > > much of the functionality to which you may be accustomed.  But i feel 
> > > like i$,1rym slowly getting closer.
> > >
> > > Hope you enjoy it,
> > >
> > > dusty.......
> > >
> > >
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> > > Hi everybody,<br><br>i$,1rym looking for people to evaluate the Web 
> > > page editor that i$,1rym starting and give some 
> > > feedback.<br><br>i$,1rym incorporating some cool features into this 
> > > program that i hope will allow blind users to easily create content-rich 
> > > Web pages.&nbsp; i$,1rym especially excited about the mathematical 
> > > expression editor.&nbsp; And i think you$,1ryll enjoy some of the 
> > > other surprises i$,1ryve added.<br><br>This application also 
> > > introduces a new concept for quickly differentiating between controls in 
> > > the editor$,1rys interface. In applications designed for sighted 
> > > users, components are visually distinct: buttons appear raised, text 
> > > boxes appear inset, and each item differs in some way that suggests its 
> > > intended function. Page Designer achieves this effect auditorily. The 
> > > application plays programmatic sounds in parallel with voice output to 
> > > quickly identify both an object$,1rys type and its value. So rather 
> > > than speaking "OK button", the editor speaks "OK" and plays a popping 
> > > sound at the same moment, effectively saving half the number of 
> > > syllables. Textboxes are associated with a tapping sound; picture boxes 
> > > are accompanied by the sound of a camera shutter; the volume of a radio 
> > > button$,1rys sound varies depending its selection state.<br><br>Visit 
> > > this link to download the application:&nbsp; 
> > > http://here-i-am.sourceforge.net/downloads/Here-I-Am_Page-Designer1.zip<br>The
> > >  
> > > executable is named here-i-am_page-designer.<br><br>Please have patience 
> > > with it.&nbsp; This is only a beta version of the program.&nbsp; Also, 
> > > the interface is very different and takes some getting used to.<br><br>i 
> > > hate making concessions for JAWS, but i$,1ryve changed the navigation 
> > > keys to ensure my program doesn$,1ryt conflict.&nbsp; As before, the 
> > > navigation model arranges content into a hierarchy with parent nodes 
> > > corresponding to higher levels of abstraction and child nodes 
> > > corresponding to lower levels of abstraction. To see more details of an 
> > > object, press spacebar. If at any point you becomes lost, pressing 
> > > Escape will move the selection up one level of abstraction, revealing a 
> > > "bigger picture".<br><br>Unfortunately, this program is still far from 
> > > the screen reader i envision.&nbsp; This is just a self-voicing 
> > > application, and the objects do not correspond to actual objects on the 
> > > screen, so it probably lacks much of the functionality to which you may 
> > > be accustomed.&nbsp; But i feel like i$,1rym slowly getting 
> > > closer.<br><br>Hope you enjoy it,<br><br>dusty.......<br><br><br /><hr 
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