RE: SharpDevelop 4.0 not accessible, what can be done about it?

  • From: "Katherine Moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:17:00 -0500

They don't, but being the leader of a blind access advocacy group (The Blind
Access and Support Network, or Raeder24), I feel that I have an obligation
to make as much work for my people as possible.  If that means joining
projects, then that's what it means, if it means rallying 30 of my
affiliates like you to get folks to listen, then that's what it means.  I'll
even go as far as giving up a license for software for my folks if that's
what it means.  You can see my site at www.raeder24.org.  Feel free to join!
We'd love to have you.  We have a blog, message board (needs working on), a
recommendations section, as well as a downloads page that's in the process
which will include demos, podcasts, archives of our radio show, and little
pieces of helpful software if I can learn to program or get some programmers
to join us.  I'll also put this on the blog as well and keep everyone in the
loop.  Right now though, I want to thank you for your help, and if the other
members don't get the memo, would you let them know?

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
Tyler
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:52 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: SharpDevelop 4.0 not accessible, what can be done about it?

Well, I will grab the IDE, take a look-see, then see what accessibility
issues exist and how I can possibly help with them, then I will go on the
forum. I was just worried you had gotten angry with them, which won't help
much. At least, not to start with. And not really even after, because they
don't have any obligation to make it work.
On 12/13/2010 2:50 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
> I'm not saying that I'd go and change things around.  My C# skills are 
> so weak as of yet, that me programming anything is a hallucination, even
to me.
> LOL.  I'm trying to get more folks to contact them.  Their forums are 
> very open and friendly, so if I can get any of the .net developers on 
> this list to join that community and have some powwows with them, I'd 
> love to.  I think that if a few of us make a case, then they'd be more apt
to listen.
> How about you?  Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Littlefield, Tyler
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 4:43 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: SharpDevelop 4.0 not accessible, what can be done about it?
>
> We need blind people who will talk to them, not someone who will run 
> in swinging the hammer and pretending to know more than they do. That 
> just makes them not receptive to any sort of feedback, at all.
> On 12/13/2010 2:40 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:
>> Interesting.  I like the cross platform kind of thing though, but at 
>> the same time, it doesn't seem to have as many features.  I think 
>> I'll stick with VS2010 and later for as long as I can.  But how 
>> valuable is GTK on Windows?  It sounds cool, but depending on what 
>> I'm doing later on in life (all programming done will be for my own 
>> enjoyment and as a hobby on the side), I don't know if it will 
>> accommodate everything.  I mean, if developers of a certain project 
>> says that they're not even considering accessibility for the blind, 
>> does that mean that I should go in there and try changing their code 
>> around?  I just wish more blind folks were on these open source 
>> projects so that these gaps get filled before smart allic developers try
to thwart them.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex 
>> Midence
>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:19 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: SharpDevelop 4.0 not accessible, what can be done about it?
>>
>> I've never used sharp develop nor do I know c sharp but, I found this 
>> which you may find interesting.  It's an ide taht forked off of an 
>> earlier build of Sharp Develop according to the faq page:
>>
>> http://monodevelop.com/FAQ
>>
>> Says it's cross platform, Linux, Windows, Mac OSX.  Caviat is that it 
>> appears to be build using gtk#.  I've previously had trouble 
>> accessing
>> gtk+ applications in windows since I don't think Jaws knows quite 
>> gtk+ what
>> to make of these window classes.  However, they can probably be 
>> scripted pretty easily since gtk is what gnome runs on and gnome is 
>> pretty good about accessibility right now.  Who knows, though, the 
>> fact that it's a c# app might mean it runs pretty good on windows 
>> with
> accessibility out of the box.
>> I'm thinking of installing the linux version into my Vinux vm and 
>> having a look at it there just for kicks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex M
>>
>> On 12/13/10, Katherine Moss<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>   wrote:
>>> Hi there folks,
>>>
>>> I've talked to the developers of SharpDevelop regarding 
>>> accessibility with screen readers in the latest version, and they 
>>> say that they have too much on their plate to worry about it.  I was 
>>> pretty strong in my reply back saying that if they weren't going to 
>>> do it, then I'll get somebody who would.  Has anyone else here 
>>> downloaded that and looked at the apalling things they've done to it?
Just curious.
> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Katherine
>>>
>>>
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