Re: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating languages
- From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:57:47 -0500
lol
speaking of palin, I was thinking if you wanted to translate to "bush-eze"
you could sub the word nuclear with nucular. Anyone notice sarah palin does
this???*smile*)
(Ok, I like sarah palin, she's got enthusiasm -- but I like the candidates
on both sides this election. (I'm an independent.--no I'm
schizophrenic...who said that? I guess I did...)
But obama is leading. I heard once that someone coined the sound bite, "if
obama wins, you could say we have an "obama nation"
You would be hard pressed to get a synthetic language translator to
translate things appropriately during an election year.
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating
languages
In skim reading the list of languages, I also thought I heard Elmer
Fudd! Sarah Palin, anyone? <grin>
Jamal
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, tribble wrote:
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:25:57 -0500
> From: tribble <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating
> languages
>
> add to this problem the difficulty in translating some of the rambling,
> mispunctuated "sentences" you see on the internet. People truncate words,
> leave out punctuation and generally make translation impossible for some
> poor foreign reader. I assume it's the same in non-english nets.
> Natural language translation is an interest of mine.
> Oh, but did you see the google translator supports Klingon? I wonder if
> that's the only manufactured language on their list.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating
> languages
>
>
> All those programs are never used for making very correct translations.
>
> Many people need to understand better an article that talks about the
> financial crisis if that article is in english but they don't understand
> english very well.
> In that case they could use such a program and those articles will surely
> be
> more accessible to them.
>
> Using a screen reader for accessing a computer sucks if we compare it with
> using a computer with seeing eyes.
> But it is our only solution. And the same thing is with those automatic
> translators for the people that want to understand a foreign text.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dorene Cornwell" <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:43 PM
> Subject: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating languages
>
>
> > Full disclosure: I tend toward the view that, quoting someone intimately
> > involved in the field, "All machine translation sucks; some machine
> > translation sucks less than others." My personal experience is that
> > Babelfish is consistently AWFUL for anything as long as whole sentence
> > and
> > Google results are more varied.
> >
> > So I am curious to the people who use it:
> >
> > --Do you use it mainly for individual terms or do you attempt it with
> > phrases or sentences?
> >
> > --Do you have any domains, such as programming or specific topics where
> > you
> > get results you find reliable? How do you define reliable? (I can think
> > of
> > a
> > few indicators but I want to know what other people think first.)
> >
> > --Do you have any domains or language pairs where you know you get bad
> > results regularly?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any comments
> >
> > DoreneC
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Octavian Rasnita
> > <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Jamal,
> >>
> >> If you want to create a program that does translations, you can use
> >> Lingua::Translate or REST::Google::Translate.
> >>
> >> With Lingua::Translate you can translate with Babelfish or Intertrans,
> >> depending on the backend you set the program. Here are a few examples:
> >>
> >> # Uses Babelfish:
> >>
> >> use Lingua::Translate;
> >>
> >> my $trans = Lingua::Translate->new(
> >> back_end => 'Babelfish',
> >> src => "en",
> >> dest => "it",
> >> );
> >>
> >> print $trans->translate("Hello world");
> >>
> >> #It prints: Ciao mondo
> >>
> >> #The following uses InterTran (the same with the InterTrans back-end):
> >>
> >> use Lingua::Translate;
> >>
> >> my $trans = Lingua::Translate->new(
> >> back_end => 'InterTran',
> >> src => "en",
> >> dest => "it",
> >> );
> >>
> >> print $trans->translate("Hello world");
> >>
> >> #It prints: Salve mondiale
> >>
> >> # The following uses Google:
> >>
> >> use REST::Google::Translate;
> >>
> >> REST::Google::Translate->http_referer('http://example.com');
> >>
> >> my $res = REST::Google::Translate->new(
> >> q => 'hello world',
> >> langpair => 'en|it',
> >> );
> >>
> >> die "response status failure" if $res->responseStatus != 200;
> >>
> >> my $translated = $res->responseData->translatedText;
> >>
> >> print $translated;
> >>
> >> #It prints: ciao a tutti
> >>
> >> Octavian
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dunleavy" <jim.dunleavy@xxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:42 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Seeking help with a Perl module for translating languages
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Jamal,
> >>>
> >>> I wrote a Python script that can query Yahoo Babelfish or Google
> >>> Translate.
> >>> I can post it if you are interested.
> >>>
> >>> --Jim
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:33 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking help with a Perl module for translating languages
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the info. I'm looking for a programmatic way of doing a
> >>>> translation, that is, a way that a program I write can control the UI
> >>>> rather than depending on the UI of a web page or other desktop
> >>>> program.
> >>>> Do you know of something that meets this criteria?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jamal
> >>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008,
> >>>> Demetry Yousifidou wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:31:26 +0200
> >>>> > From: Demetry Yousifidou <demetry.yousifidou@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> > Subject: Re: Seeking help with a Perl module for translating
> >>>> > languages
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Hi Jamal, try the translator from Google.com -> Language Tools or
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > web and the program from www.QuickDic.org
> >>>> > <http://www.quickdic.org/>.
> >>>> > HTH.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Demetry
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 10/14/2008 11:23 PM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> >>>> > > With Perl 5.8, I am trying to use the module
> >>>> > > WWW::Search::Translator,
> >>>> > > which programmatically translates text between different natural
> >>>>
> >>> languages
> >>>
> >>>> > > using babel.altavista.com.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > When I run the sample code in the documentation, I get an error
> >>>> > > about
> >>>>
> >>> a
> >>>
> >>>> > > missing param function. After web searches, I found that the CGI
> >>>>
> >>> module
> >>>
> >>>> > > includes a function by that name, but using that module as well
> >>>>
> >>> produced
> >>>
> >>>> > > another error message instead.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Can anyone help? Below is the error message, followed by the
> >>>> > > code.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Jamal
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Undefined subroutine &main::param called at TranLang.pl line 2.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > use WWW::Search;
> >>>> > > %opts = (
> >>>> > > lp => param(en_de),
> >>>> > > );
> >>>> > > $query = "a whole bunch of english text to be translated to
> >>>>
> >>> german";
> >>>
> >>>> > > my $search = new WWW::Search('Translator');
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > $search->native_query(WWW::Search::escape_query($query),\%opts);
> >>>> > > while (my $result = $search->next_result())
> >>>> > > {
> >>>> > > $p = $result->raw;
> >>>> > > print "$p";
> >>>> > > }
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
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