Re: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating languages
- From: "Dorene Cornwell" <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:45:56 -0700
Sarah Pailin? Shudder.
I am sort of hoping the corpus of available texts is too small for valid
results except maybe in a TINY number of domains.
Well here's hoping anyway.
DC
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> In skim reading the list of languages, I also thought I heard Elmer
> Fudd! Sarah Palin, anyone? <grin>
>
> Jamal
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, tribble wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:25:57 -0500
> > From: tribble <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating
> > languages
> >
> > add to this problem the difficulty in translating some of the rambling,
> > mispunctuated "sentences" you see on the internet. People truncate
> words,
> > leave out punctuation and generally make translation impossible for some
> > poor foreign reader. I assume it's the same in non-english nets.
> > Natural language translation is an interest of mine.
> > Oh, but did you see the google translator supports Klingon? I wonder if
> > that's the only manufactured language on their list.
> > --le
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating
> > languages
> >
> >
> > All those programs are never used for making very correct translations.
> >
> > Many people need to understand better an article that talks about the
> > financial crisis if that article is in english but they don't understand
> > english very well.
> > In that case they could use such a program and those articles will surely
> be
> > more accessible to them.
> >
> > Using a screen reader for accessing a computer sucks if we compare it
> with
> > using a computer with seeing eyes.
> > But it is our only solution. And the same thing is with those automatic
> > translators for the people that want to understand a foreign text.
> >
> > Octavian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dorene Cornwell" <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:43 PM
> > Subject: Machine translation was Re: Perl module for translating
> languages
> >
> >
> > > Full disclosure: I tend toward the view that, quoting someone
> intimately
> > > involved in the field, "All machine translation sucks; some machine
> > > translation sucks less than others." My personal experience is that
> > > Babelfish is consistently AWFUL for anything as long as whole sentence
> and
> > > Google results are more varied.
> > >
> > > So I am curious to the people who use it:
> > >
> > > --Do you use it mainly for individual terms or do you attempt it with
> > > phrases or sentences?
> > >
> > > --Do you have any domains, such as programming or specific topics where
> > > you
> > > get results you find reliable? How do you define reliable? (I can think
> of
> > > a
> > > few indicators but I want to know what other people think first.)
> > >
> > > --Do you have any domains or language pairs where you know you get bad
> > > results regularly?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any comments
> > >
> > > DoreneC
> > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Octavian Rasnita
> > > <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Jamal,
> > >>
> > >> If you want to create a program that does translations, you can use
> > >> Lingua::Translate or REST::Google::Translate.
> > >>
> > >> With Lingua::Translate you can translate with Babelfish or Intertrans,
> > >> depending on the backend you set the program. Here are a few examples:
> > >>
> > >> # Uses Babelfish:
> > >>
> > >> use Lingua::Translate;
> > >>
> > >> my $trans = Lingua::Translate->new(
> > >> back_end => 'Babelfish',
> > >> src => "en",
> > >> dest => "it",
> > >> );
> > >>
> > >> print $trans->translate("Hello world");
> > >>
> > >> #It prints: Ciao mondo
> > >>
> > >> #The following uses InterTran (the same with the InterTrans back-end):
> > >>
> > >> use Lingua::Translate;
> > >>
> > >> my $trans = Lingua::Translate->new(
> > >> back_end => 'InterTran',
> > >> src => "en",
> > >> dest => "it",
> > >> );
> > >>
> > >> print $trans->translate("Hello world");
> > >>
> > >> #It prints: Salve mondiale
> > >>
> > >> # The following uses Google:
> > >>
> > >> use REST::Google::Translate;
> > >>
> > >> REST::Google::Translate->http_referer('http://example.com
> ');
> > >>
> > >> my $res = REST::Google::Translate->new(
> > >> q => 'hello world',
> > >> langpair => 'en|it',
> > >> );
> > >>
> > >> die "response status failure" if $res->responseStatus != 200;
> > >>
> > >> my $translated = $res->responseData->translatedText;
> > >>
> > >> print $translated;
> > >>
> > >> #It prints: ciao a tutti
> > >>
> > >> Octavian
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dunleavy" <
> jim.dunleavy@xxxxxx>
> > >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:42 PM
> > >>
> > >> Subject: Re: Seeking help with a Perl module for translating languages
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Jamal,
> > >>>
> > >>> I wrote a Python script that can query Yahoo Babelfish or Google
> > >>> Translate.
> > >>> I can post it if you are interested.
> > >>>
> > >>> --Jim
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:33 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Seeking help with a Perl module for translating
> languages
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for the info. I'm looking for a programmatic way of doing a
> > >>>> translation, that is, a way that a program I write can control the
> UI
> > >>>> rather than depending on the UI of a web page or other desktop
> program.
> > >>>> Do you know of something that meets this criteria?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jamal
> > >>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008,
> > >>>> Demetry Yousifidou wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:31:26 +0200
> > >>>> > From: Demetry Yousifidou <demetry.yousifidou@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> > Subject: Re: Seeking help with a Perl module for translating
> > >>>> > languages
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Hi Jamal, try the translator from Google.com -> Language Tools or
> the
> > >>>> > web and the program from www.QuickDic.org<http://www.quickdic.org/><
> http://www.quickdic.org/>.
> > >>>> > HTH.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Demetry
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > On 10/14/2008 11:23 PM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> > >>>> > > With Perl 5.8, I am trying to use the module
> > >>>> > > WWW::Search::Translator,
> > >>>> > > which programmatically translates text between different natural
> > >>>>
> > >>> languages
> > >>>
> > >>>> > > using babel.altavista.com.
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > > When I run the sample code in the documentation, I get an error
> > >>>> > > about
> > >>>>
> > >>> a
> > >>>
> > >>>> > > missing param function. After web searches, I found that the
> CGI
> > >>>>
> > >>> module
> > >>>
> > >>>> > > includes a function by that name, but using that module as well
> > >>>>
> > >>> produced
> > >>>
> > >>>> > > another error message instead.
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > > Can anyone help? Below is the error message, followed by the
> code.
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > > Jamal
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > > Undefined subroutine &main::param called at TranLang.pl line 2.
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > >
> > >>>> > > use WWW::Search;
> > >>>> > > %opts = (
> > >>>> > > lp => param(en_de),
> > >>>> > > );
> > >>>> > > $query = "a whole bunch of english text to be translated to
> > >>>>
> > >>> german";
> > >>>
> > >>>> > > my $search = new WWW::Search('Translator');
> > >>>> > >
> $search->native_query(WWW::Search::escape_query($query),\%opts);
> > >>>> > > while (my $result = $search->next_result())
> > >>>> > > {
> > >>>> > > $p = $result->raw;
> > >>>> > > print "$p";
> > >>>> > > }
> > >>>> > >
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