RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:54:20 -0400
There is the back flip, the Charm, the ericson which is a 5 inch screen and
a 5 inch keyboard to big for your front pocket but it will be out in 2011.
There are others but they are all waiting on froyo to become common place.
Believe it or not even the Nexis II will have a keyboard at least one of the
Nexus II's. I am waiting on my 10 inch touch pad that runs Android it
should be out in August finally and it has an attachable keyboard that makes
it like a netbook. Sited people also want the keyboards even if Steve jobs
doesn't think they do.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:04 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
More than having a personal preference for touch keyboards, in just
watching devices come out month after month the direction the hardware
developers are taking is clear. We're entering the era of the touch
screen. It'd be in our best interest to contrive accessible solutions
to these touchscreen interfaces now, because they might be the vast
majority of devices on the market before long. *shrug* Or maybe I'm
missing all the excellent Droid phones on the horizon with hardware
keyboards? The Droid 2 is the only pending phone I think will have one
that I know of. None of the hTC models that I've seen in the pending
category plan to have a hardware keyboard. It'd be a bummer if a
bluetooth keyboard is a necessity for a blind user instead of a
convenience. But I guess beggars can't be choosers! *smile*
On 07/30/2010 06:54 PM, Jay Macarty wrote:
> While I think the touch keyboard on iOS 4 is somewhat better, I still
> had to resort to getting the blueTooth keyboard to really feel
> comfortable with things like facebook.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>
>
>> See I have had an IPhone since the day it was accessible and as soon as
>> there is a good android phone that has a keyboard and froyo default I am
>> going to see if I can skip my IPhone across the Ohio. I know several
>> of my
>> friends that say Oh I can text just fine on my Iphone and my ITouch
>> then I
>> sit and watch them. It's like watching a blind mouse hunt for cheese
>> in a
>> room full of mouse traps. I can text on my IPhone and but I don't do it
>> even 1/4 as much as I did on my nokia because it is ugly and painful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:07 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>
>> I guess I don't really want to be restritcted to the devices with
>> keyboards. The iPhone's onscreen keyboard is usable if, as everyone has
>> to, you practice it a bit. Do you know if the situation on Android is
>> anywhere near that? Would the Droid X, for instance, be a viable choice
>> for the Android functionality you've described, presuming Version 2.2
>> could be gotten onto it?
>>
>> On 07/30/2010 01:15 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>> Yes and the speech input is even unbelievable . You could even talk to
>> thee
>>> thing and text if you want. The one thing I recommend is you wait till
>>> there are some new handsets with keyboards. I have an old hand set
>>> but it
>>> has a keyboard and I have hacked it to have 2.2 on it. I am waiting
>>> actually for the Ericson but it won't be out till probably 2011.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared
>>> Wright
>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:56 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>
>>> Can it at least manage contacts, texts, and other base phone
>>> functions adequately? I have to admit that I'm at this tough
>>> crossroads. I can get myself a smartphone right now, and one smartphone
>>> only. I feel I have enough knowledge to not just use Android
>>> accessibility but to improve on it. That said, I can do all the fun
>>> smartphone thingies with the iPhone today, right now, this minute. If I
>>> could have an iPhone for today and have an Android to develop on for
>>> tomorrow, that'd be ideal. But I haven't those types of funds and am a
>>> poor con artist. *smile* If it can at least do what I've hacked
>>> together
>>> on my present phone though, (that is make and receive calls with caller
>>> identification, read call logs, review and edit contact information,
>>> and handle SMS), I'd be more likely to just take the plunge with
>>> Android
>>> and let the apps come. I think they will in the end. Finally, what's
>>> the
>>> status of touchscreen input on Android? Last I knew it wasn't nearly as
>>> easy to accomplish eyes free data input through the touchscreen, and
>>> well, QWERTY keyboards on smartphones are going the way of the dodo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/30/2010 12:42 PM, Bill Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't say it speaks "all" other menus, but it does seem pretty
>>>> close. There are annoying gaps in some popular applications. The
>>>> microphone icon on the search bar is not spoken, and neither are other
>>>> icons on most other widgets. Some desktop widgets are not accessible
>>>> at all. There's not quite enough of the right kind of information
>>>> spoken, like what row and column you're on when browsing the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> However, the progress is very encouraging, and at some point I suspect
>>>> blind programmers will get involved and progress will accelerate.
>>>> What has to happen first is for Android to become the platform of
>>>> choice for the blind. I think that will happen.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alphonso McFadden
>>>> <techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So does this mean it speaks all other menue's?
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox"<waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Bryan. Talkback in Android 2.2 is getting close to usable, but
>>>>> not quite there. The main problem remaining is that the browser and
>>>>> e-mail applications are not accessible, both of which I think use
>>>>> webkit. Work on making it accessible is underway. I think we can
>>>>> count on Google to get it where it needs to be, but I can't estimate
>>>>> the timeline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Bryan
>>>>> Schulz<b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i called a local at&t wireless store and most of what they sell
>>>>>> are the
>>>>>> android operating system.
>>>>>> will mobile speak be created for this system or will there
>>>>>> possibly be
>> a
>>>>>> free open source app to make these phones talk?
>>>>>> i would like to get an unlocked phone with no monthly fee off
>>>>>> ebay for
>> a
>>>>>> low
>>>>>> talk time charge when needed solution.
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave"<davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm relatively new to Android land as well, but from what I've
>>>>>>> done so
>>>>>>> far, yes, it's accessible depending on your experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Android comes with a variety of development tools; there's, as you
>>>>>>> mentioned, a plugin for Eclipse to help streamline the development
>>>>>>> experience (auto generated project files).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, all of this can be done by hand via the Android SDK using
>>>>>>> command line tools. One can also specify UI elements within an
>>>>>>> AndroidManifest xml file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The learning curve isn't too bad as long as you are fairly
>>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>>> with exploring the technology stack (from the tools, to the SDK, to
>>>>>>> the application concepts such as intents, broadcasts, services,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>> and finally to managing a real device such as flashing, rooting,
>>>>>>> etc.).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/29/10, David Engebretson Jr.<d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I asked the same question a week back or so and didn't get a
>> response.
>>>>>>>> Maybe we'll need to explore it together. try eyesfree.google.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>> david
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Engebretson Jr., CTO Peace Weaver Hosting
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>>>>>>>> Come visit us at PeaceWeaverHosting.com
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Robert Jaquiss"<rjaquiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:13 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am looking at a possible project that requires programming
>>>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>>>> Android based device. Has anyone done this? My research to date
>>>>>>>>> indicates
>>>>>>>>> that Java is used with the Eclipse IDE and an Android SDK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
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