Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
- From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:00:42 -0400
Hi Teddy,
In fact, all of these things were pattented at one time. So was the Cassette
recorder and the airplane, just to name a few.
In fact the reason that airplanes have rear mounted rudder and elevators is
that the Wright brothers pattented their system for twisting the wings to
control the plane's travel. The rudder and elevator is a way of doing the
same thing and getting around the pattent. For several decades, audio
equipment manufacturers had to lisence compact cassette technology from
Phillips Electronics.
If you do some research, you can find details regarding pattents and their
life cycles.
Regards,
Jim
jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
"Everything is easy when you know how."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
Oh yes, and then why the television is not pattented? Or the radio, the
Diesel motors, the glass, the planes, the command line console, and very
many other things?
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Engebretson" <davide@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
> You may want to look at:
> http://www.jpo.go.jp/seido_e/rekishi_e/rekisie.htm
>
> For some description of patents. They date as far back as the 15th
> century.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
>
>
>> Yes I've read it, but only partially, because it is too long.
>> Too much theory for very simple things.
>>
>> The patents should not exist, just like they didn't exist 100 years ago,
>> when the world invented very many interesting things.
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
>>
>>
>>> Teddy, did you read anything of the article other than the title?
>>> *smile* Google is merely the case study drawn upon by the article. It's
>>> general point is much more universal for all software companies.
>>> Furthermore, its general point applies to the argument FS is basically
>>> making with their litigation.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>> Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>>>> Well, the Google patents are intelligent things that no other previous
>>>> search engine creators did or think about, so they should be protected.
>>>>
>>>> But well, protected for a limited period, which it shouldn't be longer
>>>> than 10 years.
>>>> In those 10 years they have all the time to be much better than the
>>>> competition, and exactly for promoting the competition, other companies
>>>> should be able to use those patents, and Google should try to think to
>>>> something better.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise... try to imagine now the family of the guy that invented
>>>> (and patented) the wheel. :-)
>>>> Or that invented the motors, the ways to produce and store electric
>>>> power and other things like those...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Octavian
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright"
>>>> <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I thought this article which I came across yesterday seemed quite well
>>>>> timed. Note that it reflects only the Patint and Trademark Office's
>>>>> new position and not any legally binding decision, but they are
>>>>> obviously a very powerful voice in these proceedings. Additionally,
>>>>> who knows what impact, if any, these developments could have on this
>>>>> particular litigation that has already gone forward. Still, misguided
>>>>> patent law regarding software development is obviously a hot topic
>>>>> 'round these parts today. *grin*
>>>>>
>>>>> The Death of Google's Patents?
>>>>> http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2008/07/the-death-of-go.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>>>>>> I think most of the patents are in the same situation.
>>>>>> Very few of them are very intelligent things that others couldn't
>>>>>> think about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the one who's faster and registers the patent is the winner.
>>>>>> Is it ok? Of course it isn't. This is a protection invented by the
>>>>>> powerful companies in their favour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The registrar of patents should register only and only if much
>>>>>> intelectual work or imagination was involved for doing something. If
>>>>>> in the moment of the registration, or any time later, if someone
>>>>>> proves that patent is a simple thing that doesn't imply a big
>>>>>> intellectual effort, that patent should be revoked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why isn't so? Because as it is now, it is in favour of bigger and
>>>>>> powerful companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Octavian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>>> I suspect you were being tongue in cheeck (and I love your sense of
>>>>>>> humor!). Although legal fights can be entertaining, I don't see how
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is in the interest of blind people, forcing a company to spend money
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> defending against litigation rather than on R&D to improve access to
>>>>>>> mainstream software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI -- the patent FS claims was violated is described at
>>>>>>> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%226,993,707+B2%22&OS=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm amazed that FS thought its placemarker feature was innovative
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>> to patent. This seems like an example of taking advantage of the
>>>>>>> magical
>>>>>>> nature of assistive technology to the uninformed, and then trying to
>>>>>>> leverage it in questionable trade practices for corporate gain. The
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>> that GW was never notified of the concern while its product has been
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> beta with public demos strongly suggests that the aim is to damage
>>>>>>> GW
>>>>>>> economically, not actually to protect intellectual property.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do others think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Fri, 25 Jul
>>>>>>> 2008, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:43:30 -0700
>>>>>>>> From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I say let them fight and while they are fighting I hope Saratek is
>>>>>>>> coding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared
>>>>>>>> Wright
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:58 PM
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi James, Worked here just now, so I'm not sure what's at fault.
>>>>>>>> The long
>>>>>>>> and short is that Freedom claims GW Micro's implementation of
>>>>>>>> webpage
>>>>>>>> placemarkers in Window Eyes 7 violates their patint on, I guess,
>>>>>>>> being able
>>>>>>>> to have placemarkers on a webpage. They filed litigation today.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jared
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jared
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James Panes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just thought I would let you know that this page is not available.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did FS lawyers have something to do with this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>> jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> "Everything is easy when you know how."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/2008/07/24/do_companies_real
>>>>>>>>> ly_compete_on_who_has_t
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Read it and weep, at least if seeing screen readers compete on
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> functionality for all our general betterment is at all appealing
>>>>>>>>> to you.
>>>>>>>>> Jared
>>>>>>>>>
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