MessageHi, It's probably best to check c:\documents and settings\all users\application data\freedom scientific\jaws\6.20\settings\enu for any msenv.* files. You can do this using the search option from XP's start menu. If you find anything, then you need to get rid of them, as they're for Visual Studio 2003. To reclass the edit control: 1. Open Visual Basic Express 2. Either open an existing project (file > open > project) or create a new one (file > new > project). 3. Once you've loaded the project, bring up the solution explorer (ctrl + alt + l), cursor down to form1.vb and press enter 4. Select view > code, and this should bring up the code editor 5. Press insert + 7 on the numeric line above the alpha keys 6. Press OK to the dialog telling you that you are about to create a new JAWS configuration file 7. Press tab, and select multi line edit from the listbox 8. Press OK, and you should have reclassed the editor control. This won't be necessary once Travis and myself have finished the scripts. The steps above force JAWS to use it's off screen model in the code editor, as even though the code editor has MSAA to provide accessibility, some bugs in JAWS mean that the default MSAA implementation in JAWS doesn't work with that in the code editor. It's also worth pointing out that the first menu item in each menu won't be spoken by JAWS, which again is a bug in JAWS that Freedom Scientific know about but haven't fixed yet. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: Che To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:17 PM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: newbie needs guidance Whoa, thanks for letting me know about the jaws stuf, I had no idea. I have backed up and removed the only msenv. file found in enu, but I have no idea how to change the control environment. If there is a page out there that lays out the general idea, I'd be happy to learn how to do it so you wouldn't have to type it up here. Otherwise, I am using jfw 6.2 and WinXp Pro. Thanks again. Che Come check out the brand new football betting simulation designed with the blind in mind at http://linksforblinks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Pearson To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:29 PM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: newbie needs guidance Hi, Whilst these aren't specifically aimed at blind programmers they are aimed at those picking up Visual Basic, and or, the .Net Framework for the first time: * Introducing Visual Basic 2005 ebook: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbasic/whidbey/introto2005/ * Windows Forms webcast series: http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/windowsforms.mspx * Modern software development: http://www.microsoft.com/events/series/modernsoftdev.mspx note: there's a section entitled 'modern software development using C#'. This is just an introduction to the .Net Framework and doesn't really favour one language over the other in it's explanation of the concepts. It's a webcast series I'd highly recommend to anyone picking up the .Net Framework for the first time. There's a couple of things you'll need to do in order to use your copy of vbasic express. Firstly, you'll need to register it using the help > activate/register product menu option. Secondly, you'll need to delete all the JAWS customisations for earlier versions of Visual Studio from within the JAWS settings folder, these files are named msenv.*. After you've done this you'll need to either restart JAWS or your system, and then reclass the Visual Studio editor control to a multi line edit control using the JAWS control reclassification dialog. If you need any help in doing this, then just ask and tell me what version of JAWS you are using. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: Che To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: newbie needs guidance Ok gang, I have downloaded and installed vb Studio 2005 Express, and I've found tons of tutorials and examples out there. Do any of you have reccomends on sites with tutorials and advice for the beginning programmer, especially the beginning blind programmer? Thanks much.