[program-l] Re: VB: newbie needs guidance
- From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:57:59 +0100
MessageHi,
Visual Studio 2005 works pretty OK with JAWS without any scripts. The only
real problems are a couple of bugs in JAWS relating to MSAA and other minor
issues, and these can mostly be worked around by tweaking the JAWS
configuration.
I would recommend people starting of with Visual Basic at the moment start with
the Express SKU of 2005, as this is a good starting point to explore whether
you like programming and the Visual Basic language. At present, you can get a
beta copy of Visual Basic 2005 Express for free from:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/vbasic/default.aspx
However, when Visual Studio 2005 is released in early November, the Express
editions will cost $49, which isn't all that much for a good programming
environment.
I don't know if there's upgrade paths to upgrade the different editions of
Visual Studio, eg. from Standard to Pro. However, I do know that the projects
you create with one version can be used with at least a higher version, and
often a lesser version if you're not using features specific to a certain
version.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lant
To: 'program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: newbie needs guidance
Hi Che,
there are JAWS scripts for VS.NET 2003. However, these don't work with VS
2005. There are a couple of people on this list who are currently working on
scripts for VS 2005, and I'm sure they'll let everyone know when they're ready.
You may be a little confused about the editions available. The Express
Edition will only be available for VS 2005. I.e. there is no Express Edition
for VS.NET 2003. Also, the Pro Edition is a different one from Express, so you
can't go for both at once. You either go for Express or Pro.
As for upgrade paths, I believe there is a page on the MS web site that gives
the projected upgrade prices. For those lucky enough to have MSDN Universal
subscriptions, the upgrade is free. But for us mere mortals, the thousands of
dollars per year that such a subscription costs rather wipes that out as a
benefit. <grin> But I do believe the per product upgrade prices will be quite
reasonable, in comparison to those in the past.
David Lant
I.T. Consultant
Consultancy & Development
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-----Original Message-----
From: Che [mailto:che@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 15 September 2005 21:40
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: newbie needs guidance
Hey, thanks for the info guys.
I have heard that .net 2005 is going to be more screenreader friendly.
Along these lines, are there jaws scripts for .net 2003, or possibly visual
studio 2005 available?
I think I am going to check out the express version of .net and go from
there. If I end up buying the pro version, surely there will be some upgrade
path to .net 2005, eh?
----- Original Message -----
From: David Lant
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: newbie needs guidance
Hi Che,
My advice, if you want specifically to learn VB, would be to go for
VB.NET. You could wait for Visual Studio 2005 to be released, as there is the
option of the cheaper Visual Basic 2005 Express Edition. However, I don't know
what the restrictions are on that, or whether such restrictions would hamper
your intended projects.
Another good reason to go the .NET route, is that there are a large
number of languages that you can use. There is, I am fairly sure, a version of
PHP for .NET. So you could even produce software for the Windows .NET
Framework using a language you are largely familiar with.
By learning VB or C#, you could even extend your skills to building
applications that run on Unix or Linux under Mono.NET, to build on any existing
skills you might have on those platforms.
All the best,
David
-----Original Message-----
From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Che
Sent: 15 September 2005 05:39
To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [program-l] VB: newbie needs guidance
Hi gang,
I am fairly new to the programming game, having just finished a few
PHP mySql projects, and I'm looking to learn some windows application
programming, mainly with the hopes of creating games for the blind.
I know there will be a lot of hard work involved in learning
something like this, as well as a lot of time. I am prepared for that, but I
would like to get off on the right foot. I know there are several versions of
VB out there, and I'm not sure which I should look into. I am wanting to
create applications that allow users to interact over the internet, as well as
save their information to a database.
I have been told that VB .net 2005 is coming out soon. Is that
something I should wait on? In short what would you reccomend a neophyte
programmer such as myself get started with, and what are some good resources
for the blind programmer to learn from out there on the web?
Any advice is greatly appreciated, and feel free to email me directly
at che@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks,
Che
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