[program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <Jamal.Mazrui@xxxxxxx>
- To: <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:21:22 -0400
I found the bookmarks navigation window to be quirky with JAWS, and do
not recall how it works. Can you tell us how you use it with
Window-Eyes?
Jamal
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[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
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Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
In addition, the other two settings are much faster and can make
the difference between a document being efficient to read or
not. Unfortunately, I know of no rule of thumb without somehow
getting more advance information on how a document was created,
so one has to use trial and error. However, I tend to start out
with the "left to right, top to bottom" choice and that works
all right more often than not. All in all, I have found Acrobat
Reader 7 to work better than past versions, and sometimes it is
handy to be able to use the links or bookmarks window to move
around a larger document.
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:00:29 -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>That's a good tip. Since Adobe seems to strongly recommend the "infer
>reading order" setting, I had generally been giving up on a PDF with it
>when that setting did not render coherent text.. Now I know it's worth
>trying the alternative settings.
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>Jamal
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>It can sometimes be surprising what changing your reading order choice
>can
>do. I ran across a newsletter here at work once which Adobe Reader 7
>initially showed me using its "Infer Reading Order from Document"
>setting.
>I got different pieces of text, all the nightmares of column
>mishandling,
>and so on. Then, just for fun, I switched to "Use Reading Order in Raw
>Print Stream", and it was as if someone had just unfolded the document
>in
>the right order. It was suddenly a pleasure to listen through. I'd
say
>it's definitely worthwhile trying out different reading orders before
>giving up a document as hopeless.
>
>Regards,
>Jerry
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>... And some can be completely destroyed. I came across one document,
>which
>had no particular fancy formatting visually, such as tables or
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>But Acrobat Reader 7 ended up formatting the document with every word
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>Hi Jamal,
>Sure, such PDF's can be found here and there, or if they have been
>created
>with accesibility in mind. Even untagged PDF's sometimes can be
rendered
>correctly using Adobe Reader 7. Anyway straying off-topic I think.
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>From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:Jamal.Mazrui@xxxxxxx]
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>Hi Edward,
>Have you found PDFs that support JAWS table navigation commands? My
>understanding is that, theoretically, this is possible with appropriate
>markup in a PDF that is tagged for accessibility, but I have yet to
>encounter a PDF where such table structure is actually implemented.
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>Jamal
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>On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek
>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:53 PM
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>Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
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>Hi Che,
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>I currently use both JFW V6 and WindowEyes V5. Both do a great job
>reading PDF's. I've used them at work to read 1000 page
>specifications full of tables and outlines. My job relies on having
>access to these specifications and so far as I know I still have a
>job. Give your screen reader a try before you spend money on
>additional software.
>
>Take care,
>Ed Przybylek
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>At 05:16 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have found a couple of tutorials for visual basic that look
>> helpful, unfortunately they are in pdf format. It has been a while
>> since I tried to read any pdf files with my screenreader, as it was
>> such a pain in the back to do. Should I see if Adobe has made any
>> progress with their newest version of Acrobat Reader for the blind
>> community, or get a pdf to text converter for these files?
>> Thanks.
>> Che
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