[program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
- From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:23:09 -0500
Hi Jamal,
What a memory to remember I use Window-Eyes! Many documents
include their table of contents in the bookmark pane, and I
simply press F6, I believe, to get to it. As I write this, I
can't find an example to be certain, though. If the Table of
Contents is there, one can usually jump to the correct section.
However, as is always the case, one never knows how a given
document is build. I'll try to double-check.
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:21:22 -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>I found the bookmarks navigation window to be quirky with JAWS, and do
>not recall how it works. Can you tell us how you use it with
>Window-Eyes?
>
>Jamal
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>[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
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>Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
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>In addition, the other two settings are much faster and can make
>the difference between a document being efficient to read or
>not. Unfortunately, I know of no rule of thumb without somehow
>getting more advance information on how a document was created,
>so one has to use trial and error. However, I tend to start out
>with the "left to right, top to bottom" choice and that works
>all right more often than not. All in all, I have found Acrobat
>Reader 7 to work better than past versions, and sometimes it is
>handy to be able to use the links or bookmarks window to move
>around a larger document.
>
>On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:00:29 -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
>
>>That's a good tip. Since Adobe seems to strongly recommend the "infer
>>reading order" setting, I had generally been giving up on a PDF with it
>>when that setting did not render coherent text.. Now I know it's worth
>>trying the alternative settings.
>>
>>Jamal
>>
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>>gerald.g.weichbrodt@xxxxxx
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:49 PM
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>>Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
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>>It can sometimes be surprising what changing your reading order choice
>>can
>>do. I ran across a newsletter here at work once which Adobe Reader 7
>>initially showed me using its "Infer Reading Order from Document"
>>setting.
>>I got different pieces of text, all the nightmares of column
>>mishandling,
>>and so on. Then, just for fun, I switched to "Use Reading Order in Raw
>>Print Stream", and it was as if someone had just unfolded the document
>>in
>>the right order. It was suddenly a pleasure to listen through. I'd
>say
>>it's definitely worthwhile trying out different reading orders before
>>giving up a document as hopeless.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Jerry
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>>... And some can be completely destroyed. I came across one document,
>>which
>>had no particular fancy formatting visually, such as tables or
>anything.
>>But Acrobat Reader 7 ended up formatting the document with every word
>on
>>a
>>separate line. A real pain to listen to.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Travis Roth [mailto:travis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: 20 September 2005 15:37
>>To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
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>>Hi Jamal,
>>Sure, such PDF's can be found here and there, or if they have been
>>created
>>with accesibility in mind. Even untagged PDF's sometimes can be
>rendered
>>correctly using Adobe Reader 7. Anyway straying off-topic I think.
>>
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jamal Mazrui [mailto:Jamal.Mazrui@xxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:06 AM
>>To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
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>>Hi Edward,
>>Have you found PDFs that support JAWS table navigation commands? My
>>understanding is that, theoretically, this is possible with appropriate
>>markup in a PDF that is tagged for accessibility, but I have yet to
>>encounter a PDF where such table structure is actually implemented.
>>
>>Jamal
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>On Behalf Of Edward Przybylek
>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:53 PM
>>To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [program-l] Re: VB: Reading pdf with screenreader
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>>Hi Che,
>>
>>I currently use both JFW V6 and WindowEyes V5. Both do a great job
>>reading PDF's. I've used them at work to read 1000 page
>>specifications full of tables and outlines. My job relies on having
>>access to these specifications and so far as I know I still have a
>>job. Give your screen reader a try before you spend money on
>>additional software.
>>
>>Take care,
>>Ed Przybylek
>>
>>At 05:16 PM 9/19/2005, you wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have found a couple of tutorials for visual basic that look
>>> helpful, unfortunately they are in pdf format. It has been a while
>>> since I tried to read any pdf files with my screenreader, as it was
>>> such a pain in the back to do. Should I see if Adobe has made any
>>> progress with their newest version of Acrobat Reader for the blind
>>> community, or get a pdf to text converter for these files?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Che
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