-=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?

  • From: "cristy" <poppy0206@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:04:35 -0500

I had heard of Asus, but not the other two, thanks.

christy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lilian" <lilian.oswaldocruz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?


> Our gurus can advise you better than I can, Christy, but yes, mb, cpu,
> memory all have to be compatible.  But as far as motherboard, I would go
> for
> either MSI, Asus or ABIT.  Everyone has their favourites... same goes for
> hard drives, I favour Seagate :o))
>
> Lil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cristy" <poppy0206@xxxxxxx>
> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:19 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>
>
> Hi Lil,
>
> what kind of mb should I be looking for or does it depend on the
> processor?
>
> thanks,
> christy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lilian" <lilian.oswaldocruz@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:18 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>
>
>>I run AMD Athlon dual core and usually have 2-3 programs running. The
>>computer has never even warmed up.  I do have an extra fan, but that is a
>>precaution as it is always nice and cool :o))  In the last upgrade I
>>switched from a full tower to a midi tower.  I was a bit aprehensive
>>because of a smaller environment heating up, but its never happened.  I´ve
>>never had problems with AMD and have used their cpus for 10 years now.
>> But of course one must remember that there are different series of Athlon
>> cpus that come in different prices.  I think Phenom is the top of the
>> range.  The computer you mention, does it specify the Motherboard?  That
>> is a very important item also!!!
>>
>> Lil
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: cristy
>>  To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:25 AM
>>  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>>
>>
>>  I think I like the sounds of this one but how do you know if they have
>>  enough fans to cool down  system like it should?  I guess they have to
>> make
>>  them that way now.  Also it weighs almost 40 lbs!
>>
>>
>>
>>  I did look at the one in more detail online from circuit city.  Seems it
>> is
>>  some kind of energy efficient power supply or something, also read some
>>  reviews comparing amd an intell processors,
>>
>>
>>
>>  christy
>>
>>  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113085
>>
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>>
>>  From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>  To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:05 AM
>>  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>>
>>
>>  > I'm not so sure about AMD scoring better than Intel for most
>> multimedia
>>  > tasks anymore.  I've been using AMD for many years mostly because of
>> AMD
>>  > being better for multimedia and better FPU (Floating Point)
>> performance,
>>  > but
>>  > when I upgraded my PC a year ago I found a lot saying that Intels'
>> Core
>> 2
>>  > Duo has finally caught up with AMD in that respect.  Although AMD is
>> still
>>  > cheaper for the for the same multimedia performance, the comparable
>> Intel
>>  > chips are much faster in other benchmarks.  Its hard to say in real
>> world
>>  > settings if it would be much noticeable.  Here is a nice benchmark
>>  > comparison, but I think the prices are off because I read that AMD
>> lowered
>>  > many of their prices.
>>  >
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31.
>>  > html
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > -----Original Message-----
>>  > From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  > [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gman
>>  > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 PM
>>  > To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>>  >
>>  > Well, Cristy, I can't touch this reply for 'breath of scope', so I'm
>> not
>>  > going to even try.       lol
>>  >
>>  > What I will say is that AMD scores better than Intel for most
>> multimedia
>>  > tasks (both audible and visual).  Intel ranks MUCH better than AMD for
>>  > most
>>  > productivity tasks (Office, etc.).  Today's better AMD chips run
>> hotter
>>  > because they are grown using a larger sized transistor (65nm.) than
>>  > Intel's
>>  > better chips (45nm.).  Chances are VERY good that you're currently
>> running
>>  > a
>>  >
>>  > processor (from either maker) that's made with larger transistors than
>>  > what's being used today.  The smaller they can make the transistors,
>> the
>>  > cooler the chip can be made to run.  Intel has the upper hand in
>>  > transistor
>>  > size because they have a LOT more money to toss at R&D for studying
>>  > fabrication techniques (AMD spent their budget on buying up ATI, the
>>  > graphics card maker).  But even with all of that money, they still
>> look
>> to
>>  > AMD for ideas on what direction they should be heading.  To me, that
>> means
>>  > AMD is the more innovative company.
>>  >
>>  > Combining all of this with what Disastar has already mentioned should
>>  > point
>>  > you towards getting at least a dual-core AMD processor (AM+ socket)
>> with
>>  > matching motherboard & RAM.  Since these three items are the core
>>  > components
>>  >
>>  > of any computer system, I wouldn't skimp on any of them (~$400 USD for
>> all
>>  > three should be a good starting point).  It can be convincingly argued
>>  > that
>>  > the graphics card has become a fourth 'core' component of any modern
>>  > system,
>>  >
>>  > so I will give the same advice on that.  Your target for a video card
>>  > should
>>  >
>>  > be at least $200 - 250 USD alone for the things you want to do with
>> your
>>  > new
>>  >
>>  > system (and that should take care of most 'gaming' you choose to add
>>  > later,
>>  > too).
>>  >
>>  > As Disastar also said, it takes several days of intense research to
>> "throw
>>  > together" a decent system these days.  Many, many things have to be
>> taken
>>  > into consideration and having one part that doesn't quite fit in can
>>  > really
>>  > hurt an otherwise good build.  You need to decide whether or not
>> you'll
>>  > need
>>  >
>>  > a case (or reuse an older one).  How many parts can you bring over
>> from
>>  > the
>>  > old system if that's to be retired?  How much can this new build be
>>  > upgraded
>>  >
>>  > as time passes?  What else will you need?
>>  >
>>  > Give some thought to all you've heard so far and let us know whatever
>>  > questions come up.  Several of us have been putting together custom
>>  > systems
>>  > for a long time and you can be assured we'll do what we can to steer
>> you
>>  > in
>>  > the right direction.
>>  >
>>  > Happy Holidays,
>>  > Gman
>>  >
>>  > "The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask"
>>  >
>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  > From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>  > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>  > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:38 PM
>>  > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >> Yes, it is often hard to tell the difference and it depends a lot on
>> how
>>  >> you
>>  >> use your computer.
>>  >>
>>  >> This is a very tricky question to answer.  They both have their pros
>> and
>>  >> cons and its hard to compare the two because you just can't go by the
>> MHz
>>  >> speed and one might be better while running one program, but the
>> other
>>  >> might
>>  >> be better running another program.  You also have the same problem
>>  >> comparing
>>  >> different processors from the same manufacturer.
>>  >>
>>  >> Example:  Which is better, a faster single core CPU or a slower dual
>>  >> core?
>>  >>
>>  >> Answer:  It depends a lot on what programs you run and how you use
>> your
>>  >> computer among other things.  If you almost always run more than one
>>  >> program
>>  >> at the same time then dual core would be better and quad core even
>> better
>>  >> (most likely).  But, if the program you use often is very CPU
>> intensive
>>  >> and
>>  >> is not designed to run on multiple cores, then the multi-cores
>> wouldn't
>>  >> help
>>  >> unless there are other programs running at the same time that slow
>> the
>>  >> CPU
>>  >> down.
>>  >>
>>  >> Confused?  I'm sorry, but this is only the main points and it only
>> gets
>>  >> more
>>  >> complicated.  Maybe Gman can explain it better... he has a way with
>> words
>>  >> that I can't touch.
>>  >>
>>  >> OK, maybe this will help:
>>  >> - AMD is usually cheaper for the performance you get, but they
>> usually
>>  >> run
>>  >> hotter, so they often have a noisier fan cooling them.
>>  >> - Multiple core CPU's usually give a snappier feel to Windows
>> especially
>>  >> if
>>  >> you run more than one program at a time.
>>  >> - Movie editing and graphics editing will usually benefit from having
>> as
>>  >> many cores as you can afford, but spending extra money on a better
>> video
>>  >> card might improve these tasks better.
>>  >> - High tech action games are also more dependent on graphics card
>> than
>>  >> CPU,
>>  >> but you still need a decent CPU.
>>  >> - If you don't run any CPU hogging programs, then anything new would
>> feel
>>  >> a
>>  >> world better than an old PC, but a dual core would probably feel more
>>  >> responsive.
>>  >> - If you are just trying to get Vista to run better, then get
>> something
>>  >> with
>>  >> 3 or 4 Gigabytes of RAM, good video card (better video card if you
>> plan
>>  >> on
>>  >> running Vista's Aero), and as fast a dual core as you can afford.
>>  >>
>>  >> As you can see, the graphics performance often matters as much as the
>> CPU
>>  >> (sometimes more so), so I'm guessing your next question will be about
>>  >> video
>>  >> cards.  Unfortunately video cards are at least as complicated.  When
>> I
>>  >> buy
>>  >> computer parts I spend days doing google searches for reviews and
>>  >> comparisons of everything I'm looking for.
>>  >>
>>  >> The more info you give us on what programs you plan on running, the
>>  >> better
>>  >> advise we can give you.  ;)
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