Well you must have used different code is all I can conclude (and I'm not challenging what you did at any NAB show, just speaking from experience), because the code we had only was able to handle a single data-carrying PID, required fixed values set in the registry prior to application launch, only worked 1 out of every 3 tries, and lost packets even on low-bitrate CBR data streams. I believe all the companies mentioned are now using BBTI bricks. It's a pity, because a do-all board or box is really needed. I keep telling the Korean STB vendors to stick an Ethernet port on their cheap ATSC boxes, and I keep telling the datacast box makers to add a video demod/output to their Ethernet box. Some have done it (Logic Innovations), but its not aimed at plug and play use, but rather at edge routing or professional installations. Most just give me a dumbfounded look, however. Agreed on the datacast model. Delivering coupons and newspaper clippings just isn't a convincing selling point - the public have DSL and Cable Modems and high speed internet. Having said that, we don't seem to be having trouble selling datacasting systems, but then again the target isn't the public. Cheers Kon >Kon - At NAB 2002 accessDTV did OTA DTV / datacast demos at the LVCC NAB store and over in our Sands Booth using Triveni server at KLAS and accessDTV client code. In conjunction with Capitol Broadcasting and DTVPlus, we also deployed datacast over 2 DTV channels in Raleigh where everything is still working today. Everything technical has worked as advertised and attracted decent analyst / media reviews. The business model just never came together and has not to this day for anyone attempting to leverage OTA datacast. Maybe one day. Regards, Dewey -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kon Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:14 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: USDTV demos at NAB The PBS tech conference was host to a laptop w/BBTI datacasting demo from channel 11 on black mountain. A BBTI (used to be B2C2) brick was used, and the demo was set up in the MGM at a film-protected window pointing south, but with a diagonal view of black mountain. SpectraRep gave a demo using a small dual element antenna that must have come from a Motel 6 in the 1960's. No reception with those bunny ears pointing upwards, so I just laid them horizontal, elevated the antenna to a chair (away from the ground!), and pointed them right at black mountain. Chaching, 80% signal strength. Unfortunately, packets were lost left right and center due to multipath, but the KenCast ECC repaired all the files (see, a use for datacasting after all). The other datacasting vendor's system was not so lucky -- to the point of not even seeing any pipe, let alone data. What can I say, Kenny kicks butt. I won't mention the other boards in this thread - we had extremely bad luck with them at NAB2001, 2, and 3, and they served as demo pieces for the most part. Cheers Kon -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dewey Weaver Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:58 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: USDTV demos at NAB For my two cents worth - when accessDTV demo'd from Treasure Island, NAB 2000, the Hilton Suites NAB and CES 2001 and Embassy Suites from 2002 CES, we were able to tune with a Silver Sensor or RS double bowtie (even when we put the antenna in the personal effects safe at the Hilton in 2001 -in other words, the cable was the antenna as well). We also tuned from the show floor at CES 2001 much to the dismay of the anti-ATSC team deployed at the time by Sinclair. Dewey -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Joe Williamson Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:53 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: USDTV demos at NAB I'm not surprised they didn't call you back. The glass seems to be impregnated with a metal film. We (previous company) were not able to get our demo to work (2001 NAB) looking out the window using three different antennas from the 18th (IIRC) floor. We had direct line of sight to Black Mountain (higher peak) which is just east of due south of the Hilton. We were able to get it to work fine at both the Hard Rock and the Amerisuites as well as an office building across the street from the Hilton all through the window glass. Regards, Joe Williamson -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Craig Birkmaier Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 9:20 AM To: OpenDTV Mail List Subject: [opendtv] USDTV demos at NAB Did anyone get to see an actual demo of USDTV at NAB. They had suites at the Hilton and Bellagio. I went to the Hilton suite where they had a receiver and a small outdoor antenna on a tripod pointing out a window. But it was not operating; they told me they would set up a demo for me the next day, but never called me back. One interesting note: the room on the hospitality list in the lobby was not being used. That room had windows facing NE, which I believe is a direct view to the Black Mountain antenna farm. They set up in an adjacent room that had a view to the SE. I don't think this room had a direct view to the Black Mountain antenna farm. As a point of reference, it looks like there are two antenna farms in the McCullough mountain range. The main farm is lower, just above the pass that you drive through to get to Boulder City. There area few towers to the south at a higher elevation. Which area is the Black Mountain antenna farm? 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