So, you are ALSO abusing the term "broadcasting" since the 5% of revenues doesn't apply to audio/visual (or advertiser-supported) services sent in the clear. And, if you would rather start from scratch, you are destined to fail, but then, you can't start, can you? Wow, impressive, "up to 480", when the whole world is looking at "bigger things." I'd say that's not an attribute, but a limitation. "Since very little of what a broadcaster delivers needs to be or is real-time" shows a abject ignorance of the real situation. When there is a need for real-time (or a requirement for it), they can always go live. If you are showing movies, nrt is okay, but stations with news generate many hours a day of LIVE news, and that is required to be live (or viewers need to be notified that it isn't.) I'd say that essentially zero content of interest to mobile audiences (which will always be small), needs to be real-time, so why are you aiming for a live but not live infrastructure? They could get almost all the content they need in an overnight download. Licensing local news from the broadcaster will be impossible to do, and doing it yourself just won't work, unless you have plenty of money to spend. Only po' folk will be watching up to 480 lines in their living rooms. Have fun with that market. Try to force pay services on them, and you get class-action lawsuits, etc. People just have very few non-working, non-driving, non-home leisure time to watch TV, and when they do, they are more likely to use their phones for their intended purpose: not to watch tv. Or, are you talking about a second hand-held device? Bob, this serial cluelessness of yours is starting to grate again. John Willkie _____ De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Bob Miller Enviado el: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:26 PM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Spectrum Use for Broadcasting If there are channels available after the transition 2-51 they will probably be auctioned as well. These channels will be stuck with 8-VSB and its mobile kludges at best. I would rather start from scratch with a decent modulation and codec on spectrum above 51 that has few of the rules that broadcasters have below 52 including NOT having to pay 5% of revenues. What those channels would fetch at auction might be more related to what TV "broadcast" channels go for now like the $25 million for a single channel in Tyler TX. The current auctions are going for a lot less. Tyler TX B Block is going for $1,270,000.00 and you get TWO channels with more coverage. You don't get a studio, affiliation or must carry but you can use a decent codec, don't have to pay 5%, can use a decent modulation, can build an SFN. If you deliver a broadcast using MPEG4 at resolutions up to and including 480P to devices that have decent storage you can compete with cable or satellite in the living room while capturing the mobile/portable market. Since very little of what broadcasters deliver needs to be or is real time you can fill up those devices storage with more programming than most viewers will even sift through in a day let alone watch. A good part of cable and satellite customers will either switch to or add such a service to their portfolio. The fact that it will be available on their computers, cell phones and in their living rooms is compelling. If they also cover large areas, regions or the entire country adds to the draw. And they can advertise themselves by offering a number of free channels, enough to entice many to buy mobile portable devices that receive the free channels. They can then advertise their pay channels and PPV offerings. Bob Miller On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Dan <opendtv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: --- "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > But after analog shutoff, if anyone is truly > interested in BROADCASTING, > why wouldn't they apply for one of the true > broadcast frequency bands, > and guarantee themselves a set of compatible > receivers already in > consumer hands? In other words, isn't there going to > be room in Channels > 2-51, after analog shutoff, for anyone interested in > broadcasting? Are there a lot of unused channels in the top markets, available for the asking? If not, then buying spectrum at auction is an alternative to buying an existing broadcaster. Dan ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.