John Golitsis wrote: > And what Mark is saying is that you can't illustrate this > with numbers. > > Really, you're all on the same 'wavelength', but talking past > each other. But Jeroen covered that, right? The perceptual differences are not caused by the chromatic space differences (if that's the right term) but by the relative intensities? So I don't see why this doesn't close the discussion. Here's what Jeroen wrote: > There is however a large and unfortunate difference between > the coefficients of the Luma Function between ITU-Rec.601 > (SDTV) and ITU-Rec.709 (HDTV): > Y' =3D 0.299 * R' + 0.587 * G' + 0.114 * B' versus > Y' =3D 0.2126 * R' + 0.7152 * G' + 0.0722 * B' > > The first formula was derived from the luminosity of NTSC > primaries, the second one was derived from that of Rec.709 > primaries. However, since the derivation is only valid in the > linear-light domain but the formula is applied in the gamma > domain, it is largely irrelevant which values are chosen. > Poynton argues that it was senseless to change the values, > it only leads to confusion and errors. > > So if you ever see wrong colours and you suspect that it is > due to the difference between two standards: blame the Luma > Function, not the colour primaries. Because the primaries > are really not that different. So what's left to be argued? Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.