[opendtv] Re: Google Fiber 2.0 targets the city where it will stage its comeback, as AT&T Fiber prepares to go nuclear | ZDNet
- From: Craig Birkmaier <brewmastercraig@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 22:49:42 -0500
On Feb 12, 2017, at 9:06 PM, Manfredi, Albert E <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Typical. Earth to Craig. To date, wireless broadband, which would have the
potential for offering real ISP competition to households again, has been for
use with mobile hosts, and has been much too costly for use as a home
(unlimited data caps, or practically unlimited) broadband connection.
Duh.
We are talking the future here Bert.
Obviously next generation wireless data (5G) is not here yet, but there will be
trails over the next few years to work out the kinks and commercialize the
technology.
The notion of running "fiber to the neighborhood" is far from new. It's how
cable broadband works - they have the luxury of larger nodes, thanks to their
previous investments in coax. We just saw last week that AT&T is looking at
fiber to high density residential buildings then existing twisted pair to each
residence.
Wireless for the last quarter mile (or less) is just now becoming feasible, but
we have known for years that this is where the future lies. It will be
interesting to see how many homes can be connected to gigabit service from a
single wireless 5G node.
This new scheme from Google, and btw AT&T and Verizon have BOTH also
mentioned this new approach, is a fixed broadband wireless service. It is
designed to compete against cabled broadband to homes. For example, just as
Goggle can credibly compete in AT&T neighborhoods, so can Verizon! Credibly.
Not by having to dig trenches and lay cable to each home.
Another DUH.
How many bits have we burned up talking about the fact that FTTH is not going
to happen for the very reasons you now seem to understand?
Still, this is no slam dunk. The cabled broadband providers have already paid
for most of their infrastructure and the advances in modems will benefit them
just as much as advances in 5G and DSL.
So think back. Remember when you were insisting that there was already enough
competition among ISPs to households, and I said poppycock?
Frankly NO.
I think you are talking about the number of providers in a market. Every urban
market has at least 2, and many have 3 or 4.
You have many options better than DSL. It's not the lack of competition that's
stopping you - its a wire from the garage to your house.
There is not. At best, two options, and most often, just one. But I did
suggest that with *wireless* broadband service to homes, potentially the lack
of competition could be resolved. This is happening now. Not years ago, Craig.
It's going to happen years in the FUTURE Bert.
It did not happen years ago because the technology and the marketplace were not
ready. The fact that AT&T and Google (and Verizon) are doing technology trials
in the near future does not create a viable competitive service. The cities
where 2 or more companies have deployed FTTH are seeing competition. Hopefully
by the end of this decade we will start to see more competition as 5G
technology matures.
But the cable guys can undercut competitors too, when that day comes.
So, new possibility of multiple competing ISPs again, to homes, plus
households would be able to switch from one service to another rather
quickly. As opposed to the hassle it is today. A real game changer, Craig.
You totally missed it.
Nope. It took a change in the political winds to reinvigorate competition.
Funny how quickly these announcements have come out since January 20th.
We've even seen pictures of small cells on telephone poles for cellular
(not wireless data to the home).
Femtocells may well play a part, but until now, femtocells have been for
mobile use. Often, just to achieve better indoor reception.
Yes Bert, as I said they are cellular today. But we have discussed the
potential of using wireless for the last quarter mile for several years...
Just waiting for the technology to make it economically feasible.
There is one more bit of good news. With the new administration and Pai
at the FCC, we are likely to see a more relaxed regulatory environment
that will encourage the major players to invest in this hybrid
infrastructure.
Naw. There has never been any regulatory" issue against this, EVER. The
problem was only technical. What is making this approach possible now is 4G,
and better, 5G. There's nothing chiseled in stone that says these cellular
technologies must only apply to mobile use. If optimized for fixed service,
you can achieve better spectral efficiency and even better echo tolerance.
Wow! Talking about your opinions shifting in the winds...
Yes , we have known that someday this would be possible. Now we may have a
regulatory environment that will make it desirable.
Regards
Craig
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