[opendtv] Re: FW: Intel Will Lead Us to à la Carte Pay TV

  • From: Mike Tsinberg <Mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 00:16:45 +0000

Sorry, below email sent to the wrong address

Best Regards,
Mike Tsinberg
http://keydigital.com




> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Tsinberg
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:15 PM
> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [opendtv] Re: FW: Intel Will Lead Us to à la Carte Pay TV
> 
> First time hear about upfront fee. No need.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Mike Tsinberg
> http://keydigital.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:15 PM
> > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [opendtv] Re: FW: Intel Will Lead Us to à la Carte Pay TV
> >
> > Mike Tsinberg wrote:
> >
> > > So can we say that both Flash HTTP (HDS), Microsoft Smooth
> Streaming
> > > and possibly H.264 or its variant plus jump in data rate speeds to
> > > 1Mb/s or higher was largely responsible for proliferation of
> > > Internet TV distribution?
> >
> > Hmmm.
> >
> > Historically speaking, if you're asking me, the first Internet TV to
> > me was over Windows Media Player and Flash. Real was probably an
> > option too in those early days, but I did not have it installed on my
> > PCs. And in my own early experience, WMP would always allow full
> > screen viewing, but Flash did not seem to. Some kind of border
> > remained, initially. But that soon changed.
> >
> > The codecs used were H.263, or cut-down variants of H.263 to make the
> > codec proprietary. This is MPEG-2 compression-like, but tuned to way
> > lower bit rates. The realistic min bit rate for MPEG-2 is/was about 2
> > Mb/s, where H.263 was designed initially for ISDN, bit rate 64 Kb/s.
> > Way below MPEG-2 compression. It was pressed into packet-switched
> > Internet service only because the last mile link speeds were way too
> > slow for H.262, back then. So H.263, and its proprietary offshoots,
> > were "the only game in town."
> >
> > Flash, sent over HTTP, kept using that codec well into the era of
> > decent broadband, and I can tell you that image quality got to be
> very
> > good once your link speed went to 1 Mb/s or so. So that's why I
> > personally wouldn't call H.264 "instrumental" in establishing
> Internet
> > TV early on. It's ubiquitous now, of course. Maybe that's enough to
> > make it instrumental. H.263 was instrumental by any definition of the
> > word, however.
> >
> > Microsoft Smooth Streaming is used by Silverlight and Windows Phone
> 7.
> > That is a lot more recent than what I'm talking about, and at least
> > for me, it's rarely used at sites I frequent. So I'm not sure I'd
> call
> > this "instrumental."
> >
> > But what is instrumental is adaptive bit rate streaming, and the
> > companies involved in developing this technology initially, and
> > generically (not necessarily tied to a product), are Toshiba, Phoenix
> > Technologies, Microsoft, Apple, Akamai, Macromedia, and content
> owners
> > like Warner Brothers, 20th Century Fox, Disney and others. This work
> > started in 2002, which is right about when broadband to homes started
> > becoming popular. And then Move Networks got their version of this
> > patented in 2010. The adaptive bit rate idea I'd say is instrumental,
> > even though I was watching some of this Internet TV without adaptive
> > bit rates, at first.
> >
> > And by the way, just to give you an idea of the time line, the first
> > articles I read about H.26L (H.264) were in the summer of 2002. So
> > H.264 didn't appear in real products until years later. H.263 was the
> > mainstay in the early years of Internet TV.
> >
> > In short,
> >
> > First, non-HTTP solutions with H.263 (or variant) were used for
> > Internet TV. So those solutions made a difference. To me, that makes
> > them instrumental. Real and WMP.
> >
> > Then, solutions which allowed streams to be sourced from regular web
> > servers, vs special media stream servers, became all the rage. For
> > obvious reasons. So that was in part why Flash was such a hit. No
> need
> > for specialized servers.
> >
> > Then adaptive streaming on these HTTP media streams was definitely a
> > good feature, and that's what people a little optimistically call HD
> > over the Internet. Perhaps if I had faster broadband it would look
> > more like real HD.
> >
> > Then came H.264, which made things a little better still.
> >
> > Bert
> >
> >
> >
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