[opendtv] Re: 4k @ 60 fps encoded into 15 Mbps using HEVC

  • From: Cliff Benham <flyback1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:23:11 -0400

May I inject a small dose of practical reality and a sense of scale to all this?


My premise is that the general public doesn't know, or CARE much about the technicalities of TV, DTV, HDTV, smart phones or anything else related as long as they can see some
kind of an image to watch.

Corollary: It's far more important for people to be able to say, "Look at my really great HDTV
system. Bet you don't have anything like this."

The proof of this was offered up tonight on ABC's "America's Funniest home Videos" program. In the middle of the Show, the host introduced and narrated a short presentation on how to
"hold" your smart phone to make a video to upload to the show.

Apparently [to wit: several examples in tonight's program] many people hold their phones vertically and upload 'portrait' type images to the show.

He demonstrated FOUR TIMES the difference between 'portrait' and 'landscape' with images each time in succession, and the question, "which one looks better? The full picture on the screen or the one with the huge black bars on the sides?"

Then he showed the phone, rotated it vertically and said 'portrait' then rotated it again horizontally and said 'landscape'.

This sort of instructional video has aired before as a part of this program. Several times I think.

This is proof enough for me that all the modern technical innovation in television is viewed pretty much by the general public as a 'toy counter' to show off as a status symbol
rather than a technological wonder of the age.

'Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion.'

Cliff


On 10/21/2012 7:38 PM, Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
Mark Schubin wrote:

As to cognitive dissonance, watching a movie (or opera) in a cinema
requires a financial outlay for a ticket, travel to the cinema,
blocking out time, and possibly such other costs/requirements as
getting a baby sitter, parking/transit fees, dinner, etc. If, after
all of that, the viewer doesn't like the movie, then all of the
expenditures of money and time were foolish. But the viewer doesn't
want to be a fool, so there is a predisposition to like the event.

That cracked me up.

I completely agree with this and your other points. I suppose that if the average joe 
went to the movies every day, some other activity would become the "event," and 
the movie-going would be more like watching TV.

The theaters we usually go to suddenly all switched over to Sony Digital Cinema 
4K, which is just about exactly twice as much horizontal and vertical as 1080p 
HDTV: 4096 X 2160. The ads and other features that come before the show, and 
before the actual movie previews, are instead 16:9 SDTV.

We like to sit about half-way up the seats, in the stadium style theaters. So the 
screen looks quite large, compared with how we watch the 42" HDTV at home.

Anyway, it's easy enough to "count the pixels" when the SD pre-show stuff is 
showing, but the Sony 4K, even on the 2:35:1 blockbuster format, is beyond reproach, as far as 
I'm concerned. I'm wondering whether any more than that even makes sense in a home format, 
even if 100" screens became the new normal.

A 100" screen is about 50" high and 87" wide. At say 10' viewing distance (too 
close for comfort, IMO), that's a distance of 2.4 picture-heights. So that calculates out to 
an angular separation of the pixels of 0.66 arcminutes at the viewer's vantage point, which 
ought to be well within what the majority of people can discern (the literature indicates 
anything from 1 to 2 arcmin, many claim 1.5). Even acknowledging that any such numbers are 
just first order approximations of actual visual acuity.

Bert



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