[lit-ideas] Re: Where politics hits the grass
- From: "Paul Stone" <pastone@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:38:27 -0500
mimi.what.nerva@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Tell us more...
Okay... I'll give it a try; but I predict that you will tell me I'm in
a state of denial.
Point by Point:
(on Race) Society creates the opportunities and impediments and then
decides who gets what and attaches race to it.
1) Response: Is "society" a special place that doesn't include everyone?
(on futility of action) I'm just one yeast out of almost seven
billion, and I'm absolutely ineffective in swaying others.
2) Response: You are not a yeast... you are a human being (well, we
think anyway, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt). You are better
than a yeast, with more potential, so use it to do something rather
than bitch about all the other little yeasties, (most of which who
are, in your opinion, being mistreated, held in ignorance, wilfully
ignorant or just plain too stupid to do anything). So your scorn of
something which you deem useless, pitiful etc. while at the same time
proclaiming to 'care' about it is to put it bluntly, confusing, and to
put it even more bluntly, IMPOSSIBLE to reconcile!
(on why Gore lost) Best case scenario they voted for Ralph Nader which
is a vote for Bush.
3) Response: Gore lost because a bunch of indies voted for Nader? And
that is Bush's fault? It seems like if ole cardboard Al couldn't get a
bunch of on-the-fencers to vote for him and he relied on the few
indies who voted for Nader to push him over the top, he had bigger
fundamental campaign problems than that. The fact is, even the
Democratic loyal drifted to Nadir (sic).
(on nihilism) Maybe the bottom line the way I see it is that the human
race is out to destroy itself, and there's no way I can stop them.
4) Response: Well you certainly aren't trying to. How is it that you
actually think the entire human race who live in 160 countries (or
whatever it is this week) with vastly different: cultures, languages,
comforts, religious beliefs, standards of living, resources, PEOPLE
can actually act in concert to conspiratorially plot the destruction
of itself? Again, you are exaggerating for no effect except for
hysteria.
(on humanity) And people are for the most part brainless and heartless,
5) Response: are you fucking kidding me?
(on industry) Industry will throw every monkey wrench they possibly
can, whether real or imagined, to stop environmental cleanup and
progress. I don't get that at all, but that's the way people are.
6) Response: "INDUSTRY" does not exist as a real collective noun.
Those factories/facilities that might fall under the rubric have ONLY
their own bottom line to consider; BUT believe it or not, there are
real people running those places and real people who are not only
heartless, brainless, bastards. Industry -- admittedly because of
being forced, ironically a lot because ole Ralphy boy (Nader) -- do
more to be environmentally friendly than almost any human being does.
Once again, yes, it with the hammer of the law, heavy fines etc, but
it's profligate, ignorant pollution by billions of individuals which
is almost completely ungoverned and also hardest to educate about
without seeming Draconian 500 dollar fines for putting 4 bags of
garbage instead of 3 out on a week's pickup wouldn't sit too well with
Joe the Plumber. We need to work, but lets not always blame industry.
The existences of EPA, OSHA and a million other ever-tightening
restrictive 'standards' make sure that "Industry" is monitored. Joe
the Plumber can still get away with throwing toluene down his drain or
putting car batteries in a garbage bin.
(on the entire history of humanity) Okay, name something redemptive
and good that humans have come up with. Absolutely everything humans
have come up with is nonsense.
7) Response: see response 5 and then double it.
(on humanity's evil) And as far as beauty goes, that's in nature.
Humans destroy beauty.
8) Response: Can you supply me with empirical data to support this
blanket statement?
(on humanity) Human joy, not to mention end all and be all, takes the
form of money unless you can supply other examples of the joy and
beauty of human existence.
9) Response: it cost very little to masturbate, have sex, smile at my
son and experience a love that I never knew existed until 18 months
ago, talk to someone about something you share an interest in, play a
musical instrument. Humans are amazing, creative, loving creatures.
You are really short-changing us.
(on motherhood) I know, I know, motherhood, as if animals aren't
mothers and as if human mothers aren't incredibly destructive half or
even most of the time.
10) Response: I don't know where you live, but save for a few uglies
in town who shout horrible things at their kids at Wal-mart, I don't
see a whole lot of this. Even 'poor', single mothers, living on a
shitty McDonald's wage, would take a bullet for their kid. They put
every cent of their crappy cheque into doing what's right for their
kid. Unfortunately, you live in a world where your newsmedia makes it
LOOK like the people who show up on Maury Povich trying to figure out
which of the 5 guys she fucked in a month is the baby-daddy. Guess
what, that's not reality. Of course it's beneficial to have two stable
parents, but most people really are doing the best they can. MOST
people are.
p
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