Marlena, For these two to be parallel, you would need to be a Christian who calls herself a Fundamentalist but wants to be distinguished from other Fundamentalists for some reason. The onus would be on you to explain why (1) you want to be called a Fundamentalist, and (2) how you distinguish what you are from what they are. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:42 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: "Stand By Denmark" Rally In a message dated 2/25/2006 10:07:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I think it is up to the Moderate Islamists to distinguish themselves from the Fundamentalists, not those of us who read their writings. AAACCCK. That's like saying that it is up to those who are moderate or liberal Christians to distinguish themselves from those who are the fundamentalists!! It's horribly difficult to do! Not just to those who are fundamentalists themselves -- but to those who are secular or of other religious traditions! (the only ones who seem to be making the links from religion to religion are the post-modern types and that has taken a while to become even as strong a movement--and they started within the Christian world--where they are engaging people in conversation and are only now beginning to reach out to explain differences. It's awfully hard for a moderate to get published within either the fundamentalist publishing world OR the secular one. So to blame a moderate/liberal for not being published seems absurd to me. The moderate/emergent/quizzical/liberal Christian is only now getting published (outside of one or two)--and that is, still, only a few. (It took a while for the fundamentalists to take over their publishing worlds--and they did so. so the pendulum WILL and IS swinging--but in the meantime, you have to ask questions if you are not in that world--) I'm not sure that the ones on the edges of religious traditions (even Christianity) will pay attention though--just like those on the edges of religious traditions would really pay attention to moderate or liberal Islamists. (after all, there is even an emergent Islam in our country--and I posted about that [<sigh> see, Andy, why I got cross--hardly anyone reads my stuff! <wry look> It really was not you!] As a librarian who was trained in nuances of categories (think of the precision of either Dewey's system or the LC system)--this drives me crazy. I understand the tendency and innate need for putting people/ideas into boxes, but think that if you do--the person putting the idea/person in a box IS the one responsible for getting the idea/person in the correct box. NOT the person or idea who has been picked up and tossed into a box ... some of those boxes are awfully hard to get out of if the person making them refuses to listen and just stuffs the person/idea into that same box every time he/she/it tries to climb out of it. Best, Marlena in Missouri