[lit-ideas] Re: "Stand By Denmark" Rally
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:22:46 -0800
The ideology was described in greatest detail by Sayyid Qutb who was
executed by Nassar in 1965; so it has been around for awhile. What Qutb
wrote about is what Islamists believe and practice today. Qutb was a member
of the Egyptian Muslim Brothers which was influenced by Saudi Arabian
Salafism. Maududi from Pakistan and a few others had the concept, but Qutb
for the Sunnis and Khomeini for the Shiites firmed up the ideology.
The term Westerners preferred was "Islamic Fundamentalism." This term
explained the ideology to some extent to Westerners, a Fundamentalist form
of Islam, like Fundamentalism is a Fundamentalist form of Christianity, but
Islamists didn't like the use of a Christian term. I don't know who first
coined the term Islamism but it is apt, meaning in the broadest sense a
political form of Islam, an ideology and not strictly a religion. But the
Islamists go further and argue that in its truest sense Islam must be
considered to have a political element as well as a religious one. Islam
covers the entire life and well-being of the Ummah which includes politics
and the spread of Islam. The Jihad is part of it. Perhaps it has never
been described quite as Sayyid Qutb described it, but his description is
consistent with the Koran."
Lawrence
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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:03 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: "Stand By Denmark" Rally
It was my understanding that "Islamism" and "Islamisist" were terms coined
after the destruction of the Towers to indicate radical fundamentalist Islam
that was outside of the mainstream Islam. Am I wrong about this? Was it a
term that existed in the Muslim world long prior to the Towers? If so, how
was it defined by the Muslims? If westerners coin a word to describe a sect
or group and then people who are not exactly in that sect or group apply the
term to themselves, the word is pretty vacuous.
Julie Krueger
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No, you don't have to explain your beliefs to me. You don't have to explain
anything to me. I made the assumption that any Islamist who called himself
an Islamist was in reality an Islamist in accordance with the definition of
Islamism. That is the way of language. If you use a term with a common
definition, then that definition is to be assumed. However, if you use a
common term with a common definition and want an uncommon definition to be
understood, then the onus is on you to explain yourself.
I didn't use the italicized words, but I felt safe to assume them. Why
would someone join a discussion group and not wish to be understood?
Lawrence
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On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:54 AM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: "Stand By Denmark" Rally
Lawrence,
I don't have to do any explaining; my beliefs are my
personal matter in the end of the day, and fortunately
you are not my boss. The point was not about me, it
was about Islamism and that there are different kinds
of Islamism. (I did use myself as an example at one
point, which perhaps I ought to have avoided.) They
share some features in common but that does not mean
the differences are not important. Dogs and pigs are
both animals yet we make a distinction between them.
This is a fairly simple point and I posted the
websites to illustrate it. If you want to know more
about moderate or liberal Islamism (we didn't even get
into the more exotic kinds such as Islamic Marxism or
Islamic Anarchism), why not look at these websites ? I
wish that I had the time to read all this stuff and
then expound it to you, but I do have other
obligations.
Also, Lawrence, you might at some point consider
analyzing, and perhaps exposing, your own ideological
asumptions. Are you a neo-conservative ? If not, how
come that you sound so much like William Cristol of
Weekly Standard ? (Btw the currently prefered term is
"The LOng War") ?
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/909rqgza.a
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