[lit-ideas] Re: Right to Life, Right to Die

From: "Veronica Caley" <vcaley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:26:34 -0500
Judy:
<I have had suspicions like that for a few days now.> 

You are correct.  I am reading a book called,"Hitler's Pope" and in that
book, Pacelli, the Secretary to the Pope of the time, was working
feverishly to get a Concordat with Hitler.  The pope, Pius XI, was sort of
with it and sort of not.
Pacelli himself became Pius XII.  i read the name of the most powerful
person in the Vatican for the last several years but I can't think of his
name.

> [Original Message]
> From: Judy Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 4/1/2005 4:24:56 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Right to Life, Right to Die
>
> Hello Veronica
>
> He is dying now.  I may have seen more of his recent appearances than
> you; someone who isn't at all malign compared his riding back from the
> hospital in the Popemobile as like El Cid's death charge. I saw and
> heard rather more this evening of his attempt to speak to the crowds
> at Easter.
>
> His Secretary -- is that the term? -- has announced that he is dying.
>
>
>  I heard that he appointed some number of new bishops or cardinals or
> VC> something.  This is the silliest thing I have heard today.  Anyone
who has
> VC> ever been really sick, even from something like the flu, knows that
in that
> VC> condition, one doesn't care about anything. Whoever is in control
there is
> VC> doing this.
>
> I have had suspicions like that for a few days now.
>
> VC> I myself don't much care what they do, as this Pope has already
packed the
> VC> College of Cardinals to insure that his successor will be as
reactionary as
> VC> he is.
>
> I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me.  The tributes being
> paid to the Pope by everybody everywhere are a little too effusive for
> my taste, really there is no need to declare him one of the greatest
> Popes (and so on).
>
> Judy
>
> Friday, April 1, 2005, 8:56:44 PM, Veronica Caley wrote:
>
> VC> I think you were right yesterday Judy.  I think the Pope is going to
die
> VC> now.  I heard that he appointed some number of new bishops or
cardinals or
> VC> something.  This is the silliest thing I have heard today.  Anyone
who has
> VC> ever been really sick, even from something like the flu, knows that
in that
> VC> condition, one doesn't care about anything. Whoever is in control
there is
> VC> doing this.
>
> VC> I myself don't much care what they do, as this Pope has already
packed the
> VC> College of Cardinals to insure that his successor will be as
reactionary as
> VC> he is.  
>
> VC> Veronica
>
>
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Judy Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: 3/31/2005 5:24:27 PM
> >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Right to Life, Right to Die
> >>
> >> Thursday, March 31, 2005, 9:51:00 PM, Veronica Caley wrote:
> >>
> >> VC> Judy:<
> >> VC> I'd say he's dying, but they
> >> VC> aren't allowed to say anything like that. I just hope he isn't the
> >> VC> victim of infighting in the Vatican.>
> >>
> >> VC> I am not ready to write off this Pope.  He has a will of iron,
> VC> regardless
> >> VC> of the issue, including his determined will to live as long as
> VC> possible.
> >>
> >> I agree.  But there's bad news of his health this evening, and an
> >> unconfirmed report he's been given the last rites.  And he really was
> >> very ill before this happened.
> >>
> >>
> >> VC>   I
> >> VC> am distressed by the Vatican condemnation of the removal of
Schiavo's
> >> VC> feeding tube.  Some time ago the Vatican ruled that there is not
> VC> always an
> >> VC> obligation to keep life support in place.
> >>
> >>
> >> I didn't know they'd ruled that.
> >>
> >> VC>  In the case of Schiavo, it is
> >> VC> life support as she was never expected to wake up.
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >>
> >> VC>  Fifteen years is more
> >> VC> time to wait than I think is advisable, from a societal point of
view.
> >>
> >> I don't want to look at this from a "societal point of view".
> >>
> >>
> >> VC>  In
> >> VC> wish the poor woman peace.  And sorrow not over her death, but over
> VC> the
> >> VC> videos of her in her condition spread around the world.  It seems
to
> VC> me to
> >> VC> be cruel and tasteless.
> >>
> >> I agree, it is appalling
> >>
> >>
> >>
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