Donal, Interesting. I think you side with Mike on this. The Christian principle I am referring to, (abandoning my oversimplification), is as follows (Matthew 5:21-22, using the NIV): "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,' and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment." Much has been written about this principle. The International Critical Commentary, Matthew, Volume I by Davies and Allison, page 509, for example: "According to Moses, those who commit murder will suffer punishment. According to Jesus, those who direct anger towards a brother and speak insulting words should or will suffer punishment. It is thereby stated that it is not sufficient for followers of Jesus to refrain from the act of murder. They must do more. They must go to the source and root out all anger. In this way will the violent impulse to murder not arise in the first place. . . . Furthermore, by making the punishment for anger the same as that for murder (a clear hyperbole), anger and harsh words are made out to be not two human shortcomings among others but grievous sins to be exorcised at all costs. (See also 1 Jn 3:15: "Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer") Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donal McEvoy Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 12:03 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Radical Islam and Radical Americanism --- On Wed, 3/11/10, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >Donal, Excellent post!> Not grammatically, for sure. But thanks, I guess. Small point:- > But from a Christian standpoint, and Mike was after all raised a Catholic, hatred in one's heart for one's brother is tantamount to killing him>. Where is this standpoint shown to be a, or the, specifically Christian one? As a general proposition, saying that wishing someone dead is tantamount to killing them, would be tantamount to saying the start of every slippery slope is tantamount to whatever is at a bottom of the slope. And that surely is, at least tantamount to, false. Donal ------------------------------------------------------------------