[lit-ideas] Re: On being called a Lyre [dilemmas]

  • From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:11:25 -0500

I wish Palma would stop beating around the bush and tell us what he really thinks.

Mike Geary

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I fail to see what the excrement Heidegger adds to the falsity of the
Can anybody quote a scientist who claims that science gives me the best
(??) and "most significant" (???) access to myself?
I'd like a specific source not more babbling frm the nazi swine so
celebrated by inane academics

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008
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On 21-Sep-08, at 8:51 PM, wokshevs@xxxxxx wrote:

> Scientists seduced by the allure of brain science ...

To say nothing of philosophers seduced by same:

... philosophical scientism fails to see the role that
science and technology play in the alienation of
human beings from the world through the latter's
objectification into a causally determined realm of
nature or, more aggregiously, into a reified realm of
commodities manipulated by an instrumental rationality.
.... [S]cientism rests on the false assumption that the
scientific or theoretical way of viewing things ... provides
the primary and most significant access to ourselves and
the world.  ... [T]he scientific view of the world is derivative
and parasitic upon a prior practical view of the world as
[in Heideggerian terms] ready-to-hand, that is, the environing
world that is closest, most familiar, and most meaningful
to us, the world that is always colored by our cognitive,
ethical and aesthetic values.  That is to say, scientism ...
overlooks the phenomenon of the *life-world* which is
the enabling condition for scientific practice.  Although
such an anti-scientism *can* lead to obscurantism ... it
*need* not do so.  The critique of scientism ... does not
seek to refute or negate the results of scientific research in
the name of some mystical apprehension of the unity of
man and nature ...; it rather simply insists that science does
not provide the primary and most significant access to a
sense of ourselves and the world.... [T]he practices of the
natural sciences arise out of life-world practices, and ...
the latter are not simply reducible to the former.

[from Simon Critchley, "Introduction: what is Continental
philosophy?", in Simon Critchley and William R Schroeder, eds. _A
Companion to Continental Philosophy_, Oxford: Blackwell Publishers,
1998; p. 13]

Of course, one does not have to side with Heidegger in order to be
critical of 'scientism' - Adorno & Horkheimer (with all of their
antipathies to Heidegger) immediately come to (well, at least, *my*)
mind. (I think it is the 'commodities manipulated by an instrumental
rationality' which triggers that.)

Indeed I think that in Kant's 'Copernican revolution' in philosophy a
critique of theoretical science providing 'the primary and most
significant access to ourselves and the world' can be founded.
(Tentative explication of this view will be made available upon

One must be fair to the scientists themselves.  Not all are (or were)
'realists' when it comes to philosophising about their endeavours;
indeed some regard(ed) realism as an impediment to scientific progress
(the parenthetical past tenses - 'were' and 'regarded' are prompted by
thoughts of the debate between the early developers of quantum theory
and Einstein: the former thought that Einstein's commitment to realism
a serious hindrance).  'Anti-scientism' (i.e., rejection of the view
that science 'provides the primary and most significant access to
ourselves and the world') is most definitely not automatically 'anti-

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Kiel, Germany

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