I wish Palma would stop beating around the bush and tell us what he really thinks.
Mike Geary Memphis----- Original Message ----- From: "palma" <palma@xxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: <cblists@xxxxxxxx>; <wokshevs@xxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:29 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: On being called a Lyre [dilemmas] I fail to see what the excrement Heidegger adds to the falsity of the view. Can anybody quote a scientist who claims that science gives me the best (??) and "most significant" (???) access to myself? I'd like a specific source not more babbling frm the nazi swine so celebrated by inane academics On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 cblists@xxxxxxxx wrote:
On 21-Sep-08, at 8:51 PM, wokshevs@xxxxxx wrote: > Scientists seduced by the allure of brain science ... To say nothing of philosophers seduced by same: ... philosophical scientism fails to see the role that science and technology play in the alienation of human beings from the world through the latter's objectification into a causally determined realm of nature or, more aggregiously, into a reified realm of commodities manipulated by an instrumental rationality. .... [S]cientism rests on the false assumption that the scientific or theoretical way of viewing things ... provides the primary and most significant access to ourselves and the world. ... [T]he scientific view of the world is derivative and parasitic upon a prior practical view of the world as [in Heideggerian terms] ready-to-hand, that is, the environing world that is closest, most familiar, and most meaningful to us, the world that is always colored by our cognitive, ethical and aesthetic values. That is to say, scientism ... overlooks the phenomenon of the *life-world* which is the enabling condition for scientific practice. Although such an anti-scientism *can* lead to obscurantism ... it *need* not do so. The critique of scientism ... does not seek to refute or negate the results of scientific research in the name of some mystical apprehension of the unity of man and nature ...; it rather simply insists that science does not provide the primary and most significant access to a sense of ourselves and the world.... [T]he practices of the natural sciences arise out of life-world practices, and ... the latter are not simply reducible to the former. [from Simon Critchley, "Introduction: what is Continental philosophy?", in Simon Critchley and William R Schroeder, eds. _A Companion to Continental Philosophy_, Oxford: Blackwell Publishers, 1998; p. 13] Of course, one does not have to side with Heidegger in order to be critical of 'scientism' - Adorno & Horkheimer (with all of their antipathies to Heidegger) immediately come to (well, at least, *my*) mind. (I think it is the 'commodities manipulated by an instrumental rationality' which triggers that.) Indeed I think that in Kant's 'Copernican revolution' in philosophy a critique of theoretical science providing 'the primary and most significant access to ourselves and the world' can be founded. (Tentative explication of this view will be made available upon request.) One must be fair to the scientists themselves. Not all are (or were) 'realists' when it comes to philosophising about their endeavours; indeed some regard(ed) realism as an impediment to scientific progress (the parenthetical past tenses - 'were' and 'regarded' are prompted by thoughts of the debate between the early developers of quantum theory and Einstein: the former thought that Einstein's commitment to realism a serious hindrance). 'Anti-scientism' (i.e., rejection of the view that science 'provides the primary and most significant access to ourselves and the world') is most definitely not automatically 'anti- science'. - Chris Bruce Kiel, Germany -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
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