And I'll raise you .... (you like YouTube and Wiki ....) I watched your links. Will you have the same courtesy re. mine? http://mail.google.com/mail/?source=navclient-ff#inbox/11c6289458b162e8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqZpUT2NQ&feature=related http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html Julie Krueger