Julie, I couldn't watch the first one. It kept sending me to my Gmail incoming box. But I watched the second and third. I have never heard of "refuge states"; so I can't comment on that. The third video repeats the second. Did you listen to these, Julie? As to the third except for the bit about the Refuge states, I could say amen. All that talk about God's love is a refreshing change from watching all that hate coming out of videos presenting the views of Reverend Wright and James Cone. Just remember, the candidate you like got 17 years of hate from Jeremiah Wright. And you are scared by all that love coming out of Alaska? I de clare. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julie Krueger Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:32 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: More on Obama's church And I'll raise you .... (you like YouTube and Wiki ....) I watched your links. Will you have the same courtesy re. mine? http://mail.google.com/mail/?source=navclient-ff#inbox/11c6289458b162e8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqZpUT2NQ <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqZpUT2NQ&feature=related> &feature=related http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205. html Julie Krueger No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 7:16 AM