________________________________ From: "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 5:38 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: "A right and an obligation" In a message dated 4/7/2013 6:59:15 A.M. UTC-02, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: The claim that one has both a right and an obligation to vote makes sense where it is being claimed, in effect, that one has both a legal right and a moral obligation to vote. There is no contradiction between a 'right' and an 'obligation' where these terms are being used to denote, respectively, a legal position and a moral position. Whereas to claim one has both a legal right and a legal obligation to vote is more problematic: for to say an act is required as a matter of legal obligation seemingly implies there is no legal 'right' or legal 'power' not to comply with the duty, and so where there is a legal obligation we may say that precludes that obligation being a legal 'right', as a legal 'right' is not a legal obligation but a power in respect of which we have a choice as to its exercise. Omar K. should address McEvoy's points directly, but still. *I went to vote, although with certain unease. :) The insertion of "legal" for the right and "moral" for the obligation was of course my own, those who say that: "we have the right and the obligation to vote" don't usually bother to distinguish. If the legal and the moral senses are clearly distinguished in this manner, then the statement at least avoids a logical contradiction. It is logically possible that I might have a legal right and a moral obligation to do something, eg to help a sick person. Still, I am not sure that the notion of "moral obligation" can be reasonably applied to the case of voting. The act of voting itself implies a choice, and if someone suggests that I have an obligation to vote, then they are limiting my choices and interfering with my exercise of choice, even if they are not explicitly saying who I should vote for. Further, in this case my choices were limited to begin with by the fact that there are only two candidates, neither of whom I view as accurately representing my political will. If this logic is taken to the extreme, then it might be suggested that I have a "moral obligation" to vote even in an election in which there is only one candidate. Thanks all for the interesting comments so far. O.K.