[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: UTDML and where brl noes can appear
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:17:29 -0500
Keith,
The semanticFiles configuration setting can be in the configString
parameter. If present it should override everything else. Many document
types may have the same root element.
Let's let this thread die. Please start a new one with a more
appropriate subject line.
John
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 10:49:13PM +0000, Keith Creasy wrote:
> The more I think about this we actually need to get rid of the idea of
> associating the semantic action files with file extensions and only use the
> element name as a fallback. I think we can do this in BrailleBlaster. The
> precedence needs to be:
>
> 1. Check the actual document type in the "<!doctype...> processing
> instruction.
> 2. Check the namespace for the root element and respect all namespace
> declarations and prefixes throughout the document. (actually the latter
> should always be done regardless).
> 3. If there is no doctype declaration or namespace declaration then base the
> semantic rules to use on the name of the root element. This isn't reliable
> but works most of the time.
>
>
> The configuration files is a different matter but really, except for
> specifying the semantic action file, it is often going to contain the same
> exact settings for every XML file unless you really do want to change how the
> Braille is formatted.
>
>
> Keith
>
>
> We need to implement this in BB even if it is not done in LibLouisUTDML
> because it is the correct way to do it.
>
>
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> Subject: [liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: UTDML and where brl noes can appear
>
> I don't know if they are no longer needed. They are certinlay out of date.
>
> John
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 05:37:44PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > So from what you are saying are the files wordDocument.sem and
> > w_wordDocument.sem no longer needed? If so why have they not been
> > deleted from the project?
> >
> > I must stress though, this is not docx, it is Word XML, like if you
> > select the format Word XML 2003 in the save dialog of word (it is a
> > single XML not an archive containing multiple files). Will docx.sem
> > work on this?
> >
> > Will I need to create a config file to ensure docx.sem is used?
> >
> > Michael Whapples
> > On 18/10/2013 17:25, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > >Separate semantic-action files are not needed for documents that use
> > >namespaces. Semantic-action files use only the local names. Given the
> > >possibility of name conflicts, maybe this should be changed.
> > >
> > >Both of the old MSWord semantic-action files are wrong. Look at
> > >docx.sem in the lbu_files directory of liblouisutdmll. You can
> > >correct or delete the old files.
> > >
> > >John
> > >
> > >On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 04:37:35PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > >>If that is so then the Word XML semantic action files (I believe
> > >>both wordDocument.sem and w_wordDocument.sem are wrong as they
> > >>assign document action to wordDocument and w:wordDocument elements.
> > >>
> > >>PS. Why do we need separate semantic action files for when a
> > >>namespace is used or not? Also relying on the XML to alias the namespace
> > >>as w:
> > >>seems to be wrong as potentially one can alias it as they like: eg.
> > >>xmlns:w="..." or xmlns:word="...", both would be correct XML and
> > >>mean the same.
> > >>
> > >>Michael Whapples
> > >>On 18/10/2013 02:16, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > >>>In dtbook.sem ad nimas.sem the action document is given to <book>
> > >>>because it contains the actual docummennt. <dtbook> contains the
> > >>>head node as well. So for the xml part of docx <body> must be given
> > >>>the action document. The root element <document> gets no action.
> > >>>That is the way things are set up.
> > >>>
> > >>>John
> > >>>
> > >>>On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 09:09:52PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > >>>>No the document node should be w:wordDocument.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Looks like w:body is given the action no.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>In Word XML w:body is like body in HTML, where the body of the
> > >>>>document will be found, so why should brl nodes appear outside that?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Also I notice two .sem files for Word documents, looks like one is
> > >>>>for when there is a XML namespace in the Word XML and the other is
> > >>>>for where there is not. There seems to be differences between these (eg.
> > >>>>w:wordDocument has action no where as wordDocument has action document).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Michael Whapples
> > >>>>On 17/10/2013 18:09, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > >>>>>What semantic action is asigned to the w:body node? It should be
> > >>>>>document. Lok at the docx.sem file in lbu_files .
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>John
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 05:46:50PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > >>>>>>Where can the brl nodes appear in a UTDML document?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>We have a Word XML file which has been marked with UTDML and the
> > >>>>>>last brl node for the last page number appears outside the
> > >>>>>>document body
> > >>>>>>(w:body) element. This looks strange and means that one has to
> > >>>>>>get the parser to look outside the body of the document to get
> > >>>>>>all Braille, which is certainly sub-optimal as one will need to
> > >>>>>>filter out much unwanted stuff.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Is LibLouisUTDML working correctly in placing this brl node
> > >>>>>>outside the body element?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>Michael Whapples
> > >>>>>>For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > >>>>>>project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > >>>>For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > >>>>project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > >>For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > >>project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >
> > For a description of the software, to download it and links to project
> > pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>
> --
> John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> Madison, Wisconsin USA
> Developing software for people with disabilities
>
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to project pages
> go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
--
John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
For a description of the software, to download it and links to
project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
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