[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: UTDML and where brl noes can appear
- From: Brandon Roller <brandon.r.roller@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 13:13:54 -0400
"Edited", but maybe not edited very well. Many contain entries for
elements with ids, classes, and even attributes. You can pretty many open
many sem files at random and see such entries.
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> Most of the semantic files were first autogenerated and then edited.
> They do not pertain to a specific document. Whether they need to be
> updated must be decided on a case by case basis.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:42:10PM -0400, Brandon Roller wrote:
> > It seems that most of the semantic files I've had to deal with have been
> > autogenerated and pertain to a specific document that was used to
> generate
> > the file. At least the origianl dtbook sem file was that way. There is
> no
> > guarantee they contain all possible elements of the given file type. It
> > seems like most of the semantic action files need to be re-written to
> > encompass that file types specifications.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Michael Whapples <mwhapples@xxxxxxx
> >wrote:
> >
> > > So from what you are saying are the files wordDocument.sem and
> > > w_wordDocument.sem no longer needed? If so why have they not been
> deleted
> > > from the project?
> > >
> > > I must stress though, this is not docx, it is Word XML, like if you
> select
> > > the format Word XML 2003 in the save dialog of word (it is a single
> XML not
> > > an archive containing multiple files). Will docx.sem work on this?
> > >
> > > Will I need to create a config file to ensure docx.sem is used?
> > >
> > > Michael Whapples
> > > On 18/10/2013 17:25, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > >
> > >> Separate semantic-action files are not needed for documents that use
> > >> namespaces. Semantic-action files use only the local names. Given the
> > >> possibility of name conflicts, maybe this should be changed.
> > >>
> > >> Both of the old MSWord semantic-action files are wrong. Look at
> docx.sem
> > >> in the lbu_files directory of liblouisutdmll. You can correct or
> delete
> > >> the old files.
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 04:37:35PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> If that is so then the Word XML semantic action files (I believe both
> > >>> wordDocument.sem and w_wordDocument.sem are wrong as they assign
> > >>> document action to wordDocument and w:wordDocument elements.
> > >>>
> > >>> PS. Why do we need separate semantic action files for when a
> namespace
> > >>> is used or not? Also relying on the XML to alias the namespace as w:
> > >>> seems to be wrong as potentially one can alias it as they like: eg.
> > >>> xmlns:w="..." or xmlns:word="...", both would be correct XML and mean
> > >>> the same.
> > >>>
> > >>> Michael Whapples
> > >>> On 18/10/2013 02:16, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> In dtbook.sem ad nimas.sem the action document is given to <book>
> > >>>> because it contains the actual docummennt. <dtbook> contains the
> head
> > >>>> node as well. So for the xml part of docx <body> must be given the
> > >>>> action document. The root element <document> gets no action. That
> is the
> > >>>> way things are set up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> John
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 09:09:52PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> No the document node should be w:wordDocument.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Looks like w:body is given the action no.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> In Word XML w:body is like body in HTML, where the body of the
> document
> > >>>>> will be found, so why should brl nodes appear outside that?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also I notice two .sem files for Word documents, looks like one is
> for
> > >>>>> when there is a XML namespace in the Word XML and the other is for
> > >>>>> where
> > >>>>> there is not. There seems to be differences between these (eg.
> > >>>>> w:wordDocument has action no where as wordDocument has action
> > >>>>> document).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Michael Whapples
> > >>>>> On 17/10/2013 18:09, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> What semantic action is asigned to the w:body node? It should be
> > >>>>>> document. Lok at the docx.sem file in lbu_files .
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> John
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 05:46:50PM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Where can the brl nodes appear in a UTDML document?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> We have a Word XML file which has been marked with UTDML and the
> last
> > >>>>>>> brl node for the last page number appears outside the document
> body
> > >>>>>>> (w:body) element. This looks strange and means that one has to
> get
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> parser to look outside the body of the document to get all
> Braille,
> > >>>>>>> which is certainly sub-optimal as one will need to filter out
> much
> > >>>>>>> unwanted stuff.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is LibLouisUTDML working correctly in placing this brl node
> outside
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> body element?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Michael Whapples
> > >>>>>>> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > >>>>>>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > >>>>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > >>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> > > project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> > >
>
> --
> John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
> Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> Madison, Wisconsin USA
> Developing software for people with disabilities
>
> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>
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