All good advice, but how close do you get? If I assume the shot is not cropped, the grey bird ( Latin: Birdus Greyus) is about 1/2 the frame height. The frame is 1 inch tall ( don't bother me with details like the sensor is only 2/3 of an inch tall, I am on a roll) that makes the projected bid image 1/2 inch tall. The bird itself looks about 6-8 inches tall, so you have an apparent reduction of about 1:16. If I estimate correctly, using a 400mm lens ( 8x image size increase) this is about 6 feet from the camera. How do you get 6 feet form a live bird? Repeatedly? For any time until he ( she, or it) gets nervous and leaves? I am just amazed..... Frank Filippone red735i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www3.telus.net/~telyt/lrflex.htm Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/