Doug Herr revealed the secret! :-) >>4. Mumble to yourself, talk quietly to the bird, fart, burp, whatever you need to do, just don't be silent. Silence is associated with sneaky behavior.<< And there you go guys and gals, the secret of his great success revealed for all to know and practice! Do all of the above and you too can be the life of the bird party get together. :-) Jeeeessshhh Doug you could've dragged this out one point a day with some minor details regarding wind drift and atmosphere conditions. :-) However no matter what you tell folks, it's damn unlikely anyone will ever knock you off the mountain as one of the best nature shooters in the world. WHY? Well man you're the king! Yeah there are pretenders, but "yu da best!" :-) ted