I'd hate to make a prediction, but it would be that you put NO spyware on her computer. Spyware is often gotten by surfing "in dangerous waters" [for example, p***] and I presume you do not do that ;-). Also, using the settings in IE to prompt before downloading or installing will shield you from much of the scumware out there, even if you stray from calm waters. In bad neighborhoods, one can shut off javascript, and/or ActiveX, etc. to good advantage [your mileage may vary]. Installing watever free software is urged upon you when you see a popup ad is an excellent way to get spyware. I had been surfing around awhile before I got my first spyware, Comet Cursor [curser?]. It was clear something new was on my computer. I surfed to the manufacturer's site and found out, from them, how to make it go away. *Then* I got Ad-Aware -- to find out I had very little additional stuff, mostly cookies, which are of very little practical consequence. You generally don't need to have Ad-Aware installed all the time on the computer, a yearly check is often enough [again depending on where you surf and what you're up to]. I had lost the earlier post advocating use of Ad-Aware, etc., so am glad for your reply. I'd like to quote something for you -- and anybody else considering using scumware detecting softwares. It is a detailed overview, makes several good points, well written, and just arrived in my inbox. Since you don't have regular Internet access, I take the liberty of a quote; otherwise I'd bow to rights, to a higher degree, and give a URL. [by the way, BootLIST is a great tech ezine, is free {if you have need for bootdisks, partitioning, formatting, you would be well advised to visit his site}, but accepts small donations as well {I snailed him a check for $3 to East Brunswick, New Jersey :-) }.] ------- http://www.bootdisk.com/ 054 October 2002 The BootLIST Welcome to the 54th edition of The BootLIST [extract] 4) Parasites Sandra H. posts - If you are experiencing problems with your computers performance and can't understand why consider checking your computer to see if it is loaded with parasites (Spyware). I have a new computer Gateway 500X, Windows XP and have the Windows XP SP1 installed. Recently I started having alot of performance problems with my computer. After a process of elimination and alot of patience I discovered my PC was full of nasty little parasites (Spyware). I went to a [PC help] website and with the instructions from that website [I] very carefully uninstalled these nasty little bugs. Then I installed a couple pretty good antispyware programs SpyBot Search & Destroy and Ad-aware. My computer is back to excellent performance and I couldn't be happier. These nasty little Spyware bugs can really screw up your computer. I Know I've been there. Hope this helps someone. *** An important note before you use anti-spyware apps on your or another's PC. Removing certain spyware components may also cause your client's favourite program not to function unless the program is installed again [with its spyware parts]. What often happens tho is that many folks download a free program, install it, use it for a short while, uninstall it, but the spyware components often remain running every time you boot up. This becomes evident when you use a program like Ad-aware to ID the programs [before you remove any] and find out they are not being used anymore anyway. What caught my eye in this item was that Sandra referred to spyware as "parasites". It's a good analogy for the above reason I just talked about because even if a program is "uninstalled", a .dll from that program may remain and still be loading and active. One really has to remove spyware first as a general tuneup procedure before you can tell if you have a "real" windows problem or not. You may disable a clients favourite program temporarily, but then if the system is working fine with no niggles without it at least you found the cause. A solution my be of course to try a different app that does the same functions the client wants that either doesn't have a spyware component, or a spyware component that doesn't affect the system in a negative way. Also, it's important that, if using an anti-spyware program, that you learn about it first and note what changes are being made. Anti-spyware programs may disable certain core windows files you may need later on in order to do certain upgrades. Item #9 addresses one such "issue". However, spyware can be most damaging and it's surely worth the risk using a program like Ad-aware to clean your system. For example, for fun I was going to suggest a neat Halloween screen saver in this newsletter. So of course I downloaded it and tested it in advance. It seemed cool but after I uninstalled it I still had 2 more items in the Task Manager that I couldn't disable using msconfig. Then my html editor started freezing and so did Netscape. I ran the latest Ad-Aware and it found 14 spyware components running including MS's alexa. Every one of the 14 spyware entities was caused by a _single_ free screen saver install. Just imagine if you have a few teens at home like I do that download every supposedly "free" thing they come across. ------ thepccat [I guess I can forget the "no tags request" address in good conscience, now that is seem it no longer removes the tag.] On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:20:55 EST carolynstoffel@xxxxxxxx writes: [...] > I .hope. none of this affects my sister's system! She does very > little on > Internet (and probably isn't downloading relevant software to use). > I use > her NetZero occasionally and go to sites she has NO interest in. > I'd be very upset if her system was affected by my occasional > Internet use. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com To unsubscribe, send a message to ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe juno_accmail" in the body or subject. OR visit //freelists.org ~*~