RE: switching to ILM from Quella
- From: "Cy" <cselfridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:43:39 -0600
Hmm, this sounds like a lose, lose situation.
Realizing that motherboards, processors and hard drives do get replaced
it sure hope it would not cost me a key to upgrade my processor or hard
drive.
As a matter of fact I am considereing a 200gb hard drive right now.
Cy, the Ancient Okie...
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Will Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:57 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: switching to ILM from Quella
Hi;
I'll try and explain the ILM authorisation scheme as best I understand
it. If one of the "official beta testers" wants to add anything, feel
free, as they probably know the system better than I.
Firstly, an important point, the notion of keys has gone. ILM does not
use keys to verify that a product is licensed.
When you install an ILM version of JAWS, you connect to the web and
begin the authorisation process. This generates an unlock code based on
your hardware configuration at that time, and decrements your count for
remaining authorisations by one (1) count. This unlock code is then
stored on your system for the client side (your system) portion of the
ILM system to verify against each time your system boots up. This check
against hardware specification is necessary to ensure the code has not
been transferred to another machine.
The code is *unique* to your hardware configuration at that time, but
not software configuration. So, if you change your hardware, e.g. add
another hard drive, change the RAM, etc. you will need to re-authorise
your system and gain a new unlock code based on your new hardware.
However, installing or removing software will have *no* effect on the
unlock code.
There is a tool to remove authorisation, found within the JAWS program
group for ILM versions, however this simply deletes the unlock code from
the system. It does *not* increment your authorisation count by one (1)
count, in fact, it does nothing to your authorisation count. Therefore,
once you have authorised a system under ILM there is no way to remove
that authorisation and increment your authorisation count, it remains
the same number as it was prior to removing the authorisation.
There is no way to transfer authorisations between different machines,
and you will have to generate a new unlock code for each machine for
which you wish to authorise JAWS. As I mentioned earlier, the unlock
code is specific to your hardware configuration, so even if transfer was
possible, the unlock code would not work on a machine other than the one
that was used to create the authorisation code.
Will Pearson
Microsoft MVP (Visual Developer/VC++)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: switching to ILM from Quella
> You can deactivate the computer before reformatting. When you
> reactivate the computer after formatting you just use the same key you
> took off. It
is
> sort of the same thing as if you had your own floppy only it is done
> via
the
> internet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chevelle" <chevelle33@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: switching to ILM from Quella
>
>
> > Hi, how would you authorize both desktop and laptop with one key? I
> thought
> > once you authorize a computer you loose a key, then if you authorize
> another
> > computer you would use up another key leaving you with one key left.
Also
> if
> > you do have to reformat or reinstall windows how do you take that
> > key
off
> > the computer. I am sure it doesn't work the same way as with the
> > quella. There is no floppy disk to put the key back onto.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karl Smith" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: switching to ILM from Quella
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > A couple of things about ILM. First of all, if you authorize a
computer
> > > with it and then have to reformat the disk drive, reinstall
> > > windows or whatever you can reauthorize the same computer without
> > > loosing a key.
> The
> > > only way you will loose a key on the same machine is if you make
> > > some hardware changes which changes the locking code of the
> > > machine. This
is
> > > much the same as what happens with Windows XP.
> > >
> > > If you have two computers, desktop and laptop, you can authorize
> > > both using one key for each. If you get a new computer or do
> > > something to change
> the
> > > locking code on either you can use up your last key to
> > > re-authorize
it.
> > >
> > > If you use up all your keys you can contact Freedom Scientific to
> > > have them reset without charge. To my knowledge there are no
> > > plans to charge
for
> > > this. The only reason FS is limiting your number of keys is to
> > > keep
> track
> > > of how many times your key is used. If you are the actual end
> > > user
and
> > > have a legitimate reason for increasing your key count they will
> > > do
it.
> > > HTH.
> > >
> > > Karl
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:11 AM 12/28/2004, you wrote:
> > >>What do you mean from PC to PC, you can't do that, if you get a
> > >>new
PC,
> > >>you
> > >>lose another authorization with the new system. If you, like me
> > >>have a desktop PC and a laptop PC, you start out with 3, you
> > >>authorize those
2
> > >>computers, now I have 1 left, if I now have a problem with this
computer
> > >>or
> > >>decide to put the new ILM authorization on my ham radio desk
> > >>computer,
> I'm
> > >>out of luck should I buy a new PC unless I have the count reset
> > >>and I think they'll only do it once free or something from what I
> > >>was told so basically,
> > >>my ham radio desk computer is staying at 5.1 for good with the
quella
> > >>authorization so I keep 1 extra key and my old way of a new
computer
> every
> > >>couple years is going to have to stop here I guess.
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Rick Watson" <rick@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:54 AM
> > >>Subject: RE: switching to ILM from Quella
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Good morning everyone,
> > >> >
> > >> > I wonder how difficult it will be to move authorizations from
> > >> > pc to
> pc
> > >> > under the internet auth method?
> > >> >
> > >> > Rick
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews
> > >> > Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 3:04 PM
> > >> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > Subject: RE: switching to ILM from Quella
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > The Quella version of JFW currently available expires in March.
> > >> > You will
> > >> >
> > >> > need to move to the ILM version, but from my understanding, FS
> will=20
> > >> > provide a seamless way to do this when your new ILM disk
> > >> > arrives. Quella
> > >> >
> > >> > will be no more after March of 2005.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bruce
> > >> >
> > >> > --=20
> > >> > Bruce Toews
> > >> > E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: water_drinker@xxxxxxxx Web
> > >> > Site (including info on my weekly commentaries):
> > >> > http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit
> http://www.treasureislandoldies.com
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, Chip Orange wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> If you are on the pre-authorized serial number list for 6.0,
> > >> >> will you=20 still need some separate ILM authorizations? I
> > >> >> have to admit to
> being
> > >> >
> > >> >> pretty confused about this whole program.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Chip
> > >> >> =3D20
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> >>> =
> > >> >
> > >> >>> On Behalf Of david poehlman
> > >> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 3:54 AM
> > >> >>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: switching to ILM from Quella
> > >> >>> =3D20
> > >> >>> Have you checked the data base to see if you have any
> > >> >>> ilm=3D20=20 authorizations for 6.0? If so, You may need fs
> > >> >>> to help you
with=20
> > >> >>> this. =3D20 Johnnie Apple Seed
> > >> >>> =3D20
> > >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >>> From: "John Miller" <n1umj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:51 PM
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: switching to ILM from Quella
> > >> >>> =3D20
> > >> >>> =3D20
> > >> >>> yes I do
> > >> >>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
> > >> >>> From: "david poehlman"
> > >> >>> <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:33 PM
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: switching to ILM from Quella
> > >> >>> =3D20
> > >> >>> =3D20
> > >> >>>> do you have your 20 digit auth code?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Johnnie Apple Seed
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
> > >> >>>> From: "John Miller" <n1umj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>>> To: "JFW list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:39 PM
> > >> >>>> Subject: switching to ILM from Quella
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Hi all, I decided to switch to ILM today form the
> > >> >>>> quella=3D20
> > >> >>> authorization,
> > >> >>>> has
> > >> >>>> anyone else done this? I can not get it to work at all,
> > >> >>>> the=3D20
> > >> >>> ILM version of
> > >> >>>> jaws will not run on my computer, the quella version of=3D20
> > >> >>> version 6 will,
> > >> >>>> but
> > >> >>>> not the ILM, is there something I need to know before=3D20
> > >> >>> switching? anyone
> > >> >>>> have
> > >> >>>> any ideas? has anyone done this yet?
> > >> >>>>
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