I think maybe that the command line arguments are different also between the two utilities.
Late am in this thread? wow! Curtis Delzer. HS At 06:14 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote:
Hi Pat,It appears that the program "tskill.exe" under XP Home serves the same function as "taskkill.exe" under XP Pro. I think we are wearing out this subject, but it is interesting anyway.Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatWJL" <PatWJL@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: RE: KillJawsYardbird, As every Windows user unfortunately knows, the potential causes of a crash are too nunerous to enumerate. Jaws could be the victim of some interaction with another program or just crashed as a result of a Jaws bug. In any case, terminating the program and removing it from memory is then necessary. If you can get Jaws restarted you may be able to continue with what you were working on.It doesn't matter how you invoke taskkill, whether by a batch file or shortcut or using the Run dialog; it's a system utility and should do the job if you can get it started. I don't see why you would attempt a warm reboot without first attempting to restart Jaws; the reboot will cause you to lose any active work. The whole idea is to remove the corrupted image of Jaws and restart it to see if you can restart your work at the point that Jaws crashed. In general a reboot shouldn't damage Jaws unless the crash has already damaged your Jaws installation. Thanks, Pat -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:43 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: KillJaws Pat, Well put, although I for one don't have the advantage of using Win XP Pro, so that one isn't an option. But would you mind specifically explaining what it is that would be likely to have gone wrong when you come to such a pass? Is it about just any application hanging and generating a close-down message, while Jaws has gone silent at the same time although without actually unloading? Or is it just a situaition where only Jaws itself has lost speech while you're working? I'm simply not clear what is supposed to be going on at such a moment. I'm just trying to understand what the relevant scenario is. thanks. Also, do you consider that killjaws batch file to be an adequate alternative to the thing you and Dean are talking about, or an inferior substitute that won't do the job properly? Finally, if you are in such a situation, whatever it actually is, and lack a reliable way to unload Jaws properly, so out of frustration you just do a warm boot from the start/restart function, what damage do you risk being done to Windows and to Jaws? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatWJL" <PatWJL@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: KillJaws Gerald summarized it well; the FS recommended methods do not always work. If you're using XP Pro, this gives you what should be a failsafe way to remove Jaws from the computer's memory so you can just restart Jaws without having to reboot the computer. Taskkill is a system utility provided by Microsoft as a means to forcibly terminate a program when it is hung up. Use the FS recommendations first if you like; but this is another way to force the issue. I use the Remote Access capabilities of Jaws during the day and several situations can arise where the forced shutdown is necessary. HTH, Pat -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:08 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: KillJaws I can't speak for XP home because I have XP Pro. I simply followed the instructions originally posted by Pat WPL. I have found that Insert + Win + F4 does not always work in JAWS 8.0. The problem is that once you execute Insert + Win + F4 and an error message blocks JAWS from closing, you're pretty much stuck. At least with Kill Jaws, I can close JAWS first and respond to the error message later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:46 AM Subject: Re: KillJawsI see. So this is all about being able to access an error dialogue having to do with one or another application besides Jaws itself. What do you mean by saying that Kill Jaws creates an icon on the desktop? In all of this,what I thought I learned is that first you create a batch file (which is the only option if you're an XP Home person, as I am). Then you yourself create from that new file a desktop icon for which you curate a hotkey. The critical part here is that the kill jaws batch file doesn't itself create a desktop icon, right? You have to do that as part of setting this up for yourself? Thanks. And again, if there's an emergency key combo offered by Jaws itself, Insert Windows key F4, that will properly unload Jaws even when in a situation where Insert F4 alone won't work, why would you need this Kill Jaws setup at all? Not clear about that, yet. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:07 AM Subject: Re: KillJaws Kill Jaws creates an icon on the desktop. You can then access the Properties page and assign a shortcut key, something like Alt + Control + K or whatever. Once you close JAWS, you can restart it using your hot key or Run dialog. Once JAWS is running again, you can respond to the send Error Report message. If you encounter a system crash, you may still have to restart your computer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: KillJawsGerald, thanks. I'm not sure how often I've been in this exact situation, if ever, but after you and Robert have explained what kind of situation merits the use of this batch command, I'll try to recognize that kind of situation, and I'll have created a way to run the command. Why do you call it a desktop shortcut? If you mean an icon, that I can understand,though if I were without benefit of speech I'd hope to use a unique first letter for the name of the icon so I could activate it. And if what's meant is actually a hotkey, possibly established in the properties for such a shortcut icon, you wouldn't need to be at the desktop to use it. So do you mean the icon, or do you mean a hotkey? Also, in a crash that includes losing speech, what are you supposed to do once you've executed this batch file? Restart your computer, if an actual system crash is what's happened? Or just restart Jaws? And, not trying to be snarkey, but are the people discussing this able to tell whether it's only Jaws that's failed or if their computer needs rebooting or just one application is shutting down and asking you to send an error message? I can't read those dialogues if speech goes out, but I can tell whether it's just a program that's died on me or the computer's actually hung. thanks. Just trying to figure out exactly what kind of situation this is meant for. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: KillJaws Kill Jaws is a desktop shortcut that invokes the XP system utility "taskkill" to forcibly close JAWS after a crash that results in loss of speech. Many times when JAWS crashes, an error message is displayed on screen which blocks JAWS from closing with the normal Insert + F4 command. Kill Jaws eliminates this problem by closing Jaws without having to respond to the error message. To create the shortcut, use the following target address: C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskkill.exe /f /im jfw.exe Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: Re: KillJawsGerald, I must have missed something. What is Kill Jaws? thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "JFW list" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: KillJaws I just had a JAWS crash, and Kill Jaws worked like a charm. 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