RE: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
- From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:50:10 -0700
This is interesting. I have tried this on all of my boxes and a sound is
played when some thing is blocked. The information bar is read when
pressing alt n to get to it. Using internet explorer 7 on all boxes using
jaws 8.0.423. I am trying to figure out how this could confuse any one
because it just works.
-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mark Driesenga
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 5:57 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
I knew it wasn't just me. :) think of it from the novice's viewpoint "Hey,
it doesn't do anything! Shouldn't it be playing a sound or something?" If
it confuses me as a more advanced JAWS user, it most likely sure confuses
the novice. Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
> Jim,
> I'm with Mark on this one. I understand. On my computer, Jaws says
> nothing when you press alt n except to report the key presses, and
> there are no system pings that sound for me when a pop-up gets blocked
> or at any other point, even when I do have a pop-up and use this
> technique, which I tried out today by going to a site I knew would
> offer a pop-up at one point. I couldn't work out quite how to actually
> "see" the pop-up once I'd clicked on "allow pop-ups temporarily on
> this site," for some reason. I tabbed and arrowed around the page,
> thinking I'd come pon the pop-up waiting for me to
> read it, but all that was there was the naked Web page, sans pop-up. It
> was
> as if the pop-up had disappeared while I was doing this alt n/space bar
> thing.
>
> So Mark, you're not the only one who finds this routine a little
> mysterious.
> But I'll play with it some more and see if I can figure out what I'm
> supposed to have done.
> I'l what ksy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Driesenga" <truthobjective@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
>
>
> Well, it could be just how I have JAWS set, but there's nothing spoken
> when
> you press alt n. Since this is obviously different (it's not everyday one
> has to press alt something or other and then the space bar or something)
> it
> would have been nice if they'd incorporated something for beginners to let
> them know that they need to press alt n and then space. But, I'm sure you
> see my point--the information bar's brand new, and so the confusion isn't
> too surprising! Even I was confused for the longest time, until I read up
> on it more. :) Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
>
>
>> Um what kind of tuter message do you want? It is a standard button!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Driesenga
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:14 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
>>
>>
>> The information bar only appears when something triggers it--like,
>> for example, a popup being blocked. It's not necessary to "quickly
>> press alt n", but merely pressing it will put focus on the
>> information bar, at which
>> point pressing the space bar will actually display the menu. It's a bit
>>
>> tricky, I'll admit--since, obviously, Freedom didn't implement any
>> sort of tutor message or anything alerting users as to what to do in
>> the event of
>> the information bar being displayed, but according to the JAWS help
>> system,
>> the process I've just described is the method for accessing the
>> information
>> bar. Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
>>
>>
>>> Adrian,
>>> In other words, in the absence of an event like the below, the
>>> keystroke does nothing? Also, when I do occasionally hear that IE
>>> has blocked a pop-up and then hear a message telling me what to do
>>> if I wish to see it, is it then that if I very quickly press alt n,
>>> I'll reach some sort of control to use to say yes I want to see this
>>> pop-up? I've never responded to one
>> of
>>> those notices, so I don't even know if the response remains
>>> available
>> for
>>> more than a few seconds.
>>>
>>> but mainly, if alt n will not simply take you to the Information
>>> Bar, is the
>>> Information Bar a real screen element that's always there, as is the
>> Tool
>>> Bar? Or is it a sort of mini command center that comes onscreen only
>> if
>>> you
>>> click something with a mouse or press alt n upon receiving some sort
>> of
>>> notice?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Adrian Spratt" <A.Spratt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Information Bar notifications (was Buttons)
>>>
>>>
>>> From what Jeffrey says, alt-n brings up the information bar when IE
>>> blocks something, such as a popup. JAWS alerts us when that occurs.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Hi Jeffrey,
>>>
>>> I'm relatively new to IE 7, and still in the process of finding my
>>> way
>>
>>> around it with Jaws. What sort of notification are you referring to
>>> where, as I'm guessing may happen, you are presented with some kind
>>> of
>>
>>> dialogue with a couple of controls in it, including one for
>>> accessing the Information Bar for some reason, which you can
>>> activate with Alt N
>>
>>> if you don't wish to
>>> tab to the control and press enter? I'm just imagining something
>>> like
>> that
>>> because, after reading your message below, I went to IE where I
>> already
>>> have
>>> a Web page open, and pressed Alt N, thinking that this would take me
>> to
>>> something in the Information Bar. But since Alt N had no effect at
>> all,
>>> I'm
>>> guessing that what you're referring to must be some kind of special
>>> situation to which Alt N is one available response.
>>>
>>> Would you mind explaining what sort of notification and scenario
>>> you're referring to?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jeffrey Shockley" <jawswizard@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Buttons
>>>
>>> Hi, I don't know if you can rename the buttons that you want to
>>> rename
>>
>>> in IE. However, when you get a notification in the Information Bar,
>>> you can just press Alt + N to go to the information bar and get a
>>> menu
>>
>>> with choices that let you decide what you want to do if something is
>>> blocked by IE. HTH, Jeffrey Check out my blog! The URL is
>>> http://jeffreyshockley.livejournal.com
>>> "You learn something new every day!" "You can do anything if you put
>> your
>>> mind to it!" "It is not what we see that determines who we are. It
>>> is
>> how
>>> we
>>> choose to see it."
>>> --Doomed Dragon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jouie
>>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:26 AM
>>> Subject: Buttons
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Can I put a name or rename a button? When I press insert F5 in
>>> internet explorer, I just get the 1,2,3. buttons. Are those numbers
>>> really the label of the buttons? And, how do you deal with the
>>> information bar? I mean, is there a keystroke for that?
>>>
>>> Jouie
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> E-mail me at:
>>>
>>> jouiecel27@xxxxxxxxx
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