I understand. I think Windows Messenger's going to be a good start, and maybe all I need. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wong" <allanwkf@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!) hi, for windows-messenger, msn-messenger, yahoo-instant-messenger, aol-instant-messenger and etc, you can use it for 1-to-1 chat and as well as for multiple person chat or group chat. while you are chatting with 1 person, you can invite another person to join-in to your conference. hth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 04:21 Subject: Re: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!) Yes. First of all, of course I know what real time correspondence is, compared with email. but the rest of your definitions are helpful to me in distinguishing one thing form the other. So, should I infer that Windows Messenger can also be used in a chat room or ICQ, but isn't as popular as Yahoo and the other one you mention? Or can't it be used for anything except for one-to-one instant misaiming? And IM is never referred to as "chatting? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!) Per your request we need to define terms here. A chat program or client is a program that allows you to interact with a chat room such as irc or yahoo chat. The to most widely used for this is mirc and yahoo messenger. Now for the next term instant messaging. Instant messaging is a system by witch you interact with people you have on your contact list. These people write you a message and you receive the message as soon as they send it. Unlike email where you have to wait for it to get on to your pop server. By far the most popular of these is aim and msn messenger. Windows messenger uses the msn protocol also. Hope this clears things up. jim grimsby msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx email: jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx skype: jim.grimsby -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:04 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!) Jim, thanks for the recommendation for Windows Messenger. it's reassuring to know that it'll be easy to learn how to use, in terms of Jaws accessibility. I'd still like it if anyone has any idea about which of the chat programs seems to be the most widely used, not only by blind and low vision users but in general. As for my health issue, thanks for asking! I had the radiation treatment last Tuesday at the Norris Cancer Center here at the University of Southern California (USC) Hospital (it's not a cancerous tumor, don't worry), and as they kept me under varying degrees of sedation all through the procedures, I wasn't either terrified nor in pain then, happy to report. But, and this is a normal after-effect of this sort of radiation treatment, as soon as all sedation wore off, as well as some local anesthetic used on my scalp so they could place these pins in my head to affix a special aluminum frame for the targeting, I was hit with the worst headache I'd ever experienced in my life, along with a feeling that someone was stabbing me in the ear with a spike. But a constant round of Vicodan kept the pain down, like a pit bull locked in its dog house, softly growling, and after a couple of days I was back to normal. As for the actual results of the treatment, this can't be known until at least the first MRI after six months, to see whether the tumor has stopped growing and may even be cooperatively dying. There's a very good statistical chance that the treatment will be successful in this essential sense. And at least for now, I've saved what was left of the hearing in that ear, whereas any option for microsurgery would have likely diminished or simply ended it. Other symptoms persist, including balance problems ( sometimes lurch like a drunk), but one thing at a time. There's no free lunch with this kind of tumor deal, so it's survival first, then the rest. Again, thanks for asking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!) Hi, Well in your case use windows messenger it is included with xp it works right out of the box with jaws 4.02 and later And it is easy to setup. You never told the list how your operation went! I hope it all went well. jim grimsby msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx email: jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx skype: jim.grimsby -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:26 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!) Hi guys, I missed a lot of this thread because I don't use any chat program so I didn't open the messages. but I gave in to my curiosity and read one or two of the most recent ones just now, and it made me wonder if maybe I shouldn't invest a little effort in learning at least one of the chat program, just case it allows for a little more online communication one of these days. So I have a pretty basic question, and I invite listers like Bruce who seems to have extensive and comprehensive knowledge of this topic. I would love to be able to use at least one chat application, but I'd love to know which would provide the optimal combination of widespread use and popularity as well as relative simplicity for a newbie like myself, including whatever scripts are available for Jaws 7 to make it usable, if they have to be found and installed. Thanks. It's just that in the last couple of years before the Internet spread so widely, And I could still see the text on my screen, I used to belong to a local BBS (bulletin board system) and really enjoyed real-time chat. But when I imagine doing that with Jaws, it overwhelms me, the very idea, of lines of text constantly appearing onscreen, immediately followed by yet more, the very thing that was so exciting and fun when I could see to do this visually. Thanks for suggestions. From: "Wong" <allanwkf@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: JAWS in MSN! hi Jouie, As I mention in my previous email, the script that come with jaws 5.0 may not support fully for msn 7.5. After I do a double check, the script that include in jaws 5.0 for msn is version 1.85 and with jaws 6.20 is version 1.90. As I remember correctly, jaws 6.20 only support msn up to version 6.2, so, for version 5.0 of jaws I don't think can support up to the latest version of msn. hth From: "Jouie" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 14:46 Ya I realized those now. But, my question now will be, if ever you want to do it manually, where can you find this option? I mean the settings for enabling/disabling the typing sound? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wong Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:17 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS in MSN! hi Jouie, may I know you are using JFW 5.0 with which version of MSN? when you read the help section, do the help stated the command is work find with which version of MSN? if you are using MSN higher then version 6.2, this command may not useable. if you are using JFW 7.0, this setting can be found in JAWS Verbosity by pressing insert+v. hth From: Jouie Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:03 AM I read the help section of my JAWS 5.0. I went to popular applications and I chose MSN Messenger looking for JAWS commands for this instant messenger program. Then, as expected, I found few commands that have triggered my curiosity enough for me to open MSN immediately! As stated, I pressed ctrl shft f12 (toggle command) to hear a sound if the contact is typing. Also, ctrl alt f12, also a (toggle command), to hear JAWS says a message if the contact is typing etc. Now my question is, do these commands work? Regards, E-mail me at: jouiecel27@xxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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