RE: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!)

  • From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:32:05 -0800

Windows messagenger can be used with msn passport only not icq.  Icq is
another form of instant messaging and can be used with aim as well so no
need to use icq per say.  Icq is also not very jaws friendly although
there are jaws work around for this.
Now of course with windows messenger you can talk to as many people on
your contact list and you can create a group conversation witch is like
a chat room on a private basses.
How ever windows messenger does not work in a chat room like what would
be found on irc.
Hth 

jim grimsby 
msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx
email:  jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx
skype: jim.grimsby 

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:22 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!)


Yes.  First of all, of course I know what real time correspondence is, 
compared with email.  but the rest of your definitions are helpful to me
in 
distinguishing one thing form the other.  So, should I infer that
Windows 
Messenger can also be used in a chat room or ICQ, but isn't as popular
as 
Yahoo and the other one you mention?  Or can't it be used for anything 
except for one-to-one instant misaiming?  And IM is never referred to as

"chatting?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!)


Per your request we need to define terms here.
A chat program or client is a program that allows you to interact with a
chat room such as irc or yahoo chat. The to most widely used for this is
mirc and yahoo messenger.  Now for the next term instant messaging.
Instant messaging is a system by witch you interact with people you have
on your contact list.  These people write you a message and you receive
the message as soon as they send it.  Unlike email where you have to
wait for it to get on to your pop server. By far the most popular of
these is aim and msn messenger.  Windows messenger uses the msn protocol
also. Hope this clears things up.

jim grimsby
msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx
email:  jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx
skype: jim.grimsby

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:04 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!)


Jim,
thanks for the recommendation for Windows Messenger.  it's reassuring to

know that it'll be easy to learn how to use, in terms of Jaws
accessibility. I'd still like it if anyone has any idea about which of
the chat programs seems to be the most widely used, not only by blind
and low vision users but in general.

As for my health issue, thanks for asking!  I had the radiation
treatment last Tuesday at the Norris Cancer Center here at the
University of Southern California (USC) Hospital (it's not a cancerous
tumor, don't worry), and as they kept me under varying degrees of
sedation all through the procedures, I wasn't either terrified nor in
pain then, happy to report.  But, and this is a normal after-effect of
this sort of radiation treatment, as soon as all sedation wore off, as
well as some local anesthetic used on my scalp so they could place these
pins in my head to affix a special aluminum frame for the targeting, I
was hit with the worst headache I'd ever experienced in my life, along
with a feeling that someone was stabbing me in the ear with a spike.
But a constant round of Vicodan kept the pain down, like a pit bull
locked in its dog house, softly growling, and after a couple of days I
was back to normal.

As for the actual results of the treatment, this can't be known until at

least the first MRI after six months, to see whether the tumor has
stopped growing and may even be cooperatively dying.  There's a very
good statistical chance that the treatment will be successful in this
essential sense.  And at least for now, I've saved what was left of the
hearing in

that ear, whereas any option for microsurgery would have likely
diminished or simply ended it.  Other symptoms persist, including
balance problems ( sometimes lurch like a drunk), but one thing at a
time.  There's no free

lunch with this kind of tumor deal, so it's survival first, then the
rest.

Again, thanks for asking.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Grimsby" <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!)


Hi,
Well in your case use windows messenger it is included with xp it works
right out of the box with jaws 4.02 and later And it is easy to setup.
You never told the list how your operation went! I hope it all went
well. jim grimsby
msn: jim.grimsby@xxxxxxx
email:  jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx
skype: jim.grimsby

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Yardbird
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 9:26 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Best chat program for a newbie? (was:Re: Jaws in MSN!)


Hi guys,

I missed a lot of this thread because I don't use any chat program  so I

didn't open the messages.  but I gave in to my curiosity and read one or
two of the most recent ones just now, and it made me wonder if maybe I
shouldn't invest a little effort in learning at least one of the chat
program, just case it allows for a little more online communication one
of these days.

So I have a pretty basic question, and I invite listers like Bruce who
seems to have extensive and comprehensive knowledge of this topic.  I
would love to be able to use at least one chat application, but I'd love
to know which would provide the optimal combination of widespread use
and popularity as well as relative simplicity for a newbie like myself,
including whatever

scripts are available for Jaws 7 to make it usable, if they have to be
found and installed.

Thanks.  It's just that in the last couple of years before the Internet
spread so widely, And I could still see the text on my screen, I used to

belong to a local BBS (bulletin board system) and really enjoyed
real-time chat.  But when I imagine doing that with Jaws, it overwhelms
me, the very idea, of lines of text constantly appearing onscreen,
immediately followed by yet more, the very thing that was so exciting
and fun when I could see to do this visually.

Thanks for suggestions.
From: "Wong" <allanwkf@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS in MSN!


hi Jouie,

As I mention in my previous email, the script that come with jaws 5.0
may not support fully for msn 7.5.  After I do a double check, the
script that include in jaws 5.0 for msn is version 1.85 and with jaws
6.20 is version 1.90.  As I remember correctly, jaws 6.20 only support
msn up to version 6.2, so, for version 5.0 of jaws I don't think can
support up to the latest version of msn.


hth
From: "Jouie" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 14:46


Ya I realized those now. But, my question now will be, if ever you want
to do it manually, where can you find this option? I mean the settings
for enabling/disabling the typing sound?

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Wong
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:17 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS in MSN!

hi Jouie,

may I know you are using JFW 5.0 with which version of MSN?

when you read the help section, do the help stated the command is work
find with which version of MSN?

if you are using MSN higher then version 6.2, this command may not
useable.

if you are using JFW 7.0, this setting can be found in JAWS Verbosity by
pressing insert+v.

hth
  From: Jouie Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 6:03 AM


  I read the help section of my JAWS 5.0. I went to popular applications
and I chose MSN Messenger looking for JAWS commands for this instant
messenger program. Then, as expected, I found few commands that have
triggered my curiosity enough for me to open MSN immediately! As stated,
I pressed ctrl shft f12 (toggle command) to hear a sound if the contact
is typing. Also, ctrl alt f12, also a (toggle command), to hear JAWS
says a message if the contact is typing etc. Now my question is, do
these commands work?

  Regards,

  E-mail me at:

  jouiecel27@xxxxxxxxx

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