Why take the hits at all though? IF the new versions don't actually improve access to mainstream applications, why not just find one that does the basics (as they all have, more or less) and just stick at that? I can't think of anything that's relly improved, as far as I know, and we all know how far that isn't, but the only thing I find easier with 10 than with 5 is access to PDFs. Other than that, I don't understand what's to gain. Certainly don't want to miss out, though, and it's an ATW recommendation, which is great. Maybe should add that the same recommendation includes getting me some proper JAWS training, which might also make a difference... I've always just muddled along with it, out of the box, so maybe if I knew how to work it I might understand what the upgrades actually do. All education most welcome. Thanks guys. A -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 11 July 2011 14:04 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 Essentially, what you need to decide is whether you want to take the small hits or a big hit when you eventually come to upgrade. Now that I am controlling my JAWS updates rather than have to get the company I was working for to purchase them, I have decided it is worth taking the smaller hits afforded by a software maintenance agreement. For reasons best known to themselves, the company I worked for would not agree to an SMA. Iain -----Original Message----- From: David Russell Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:40 PM To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 Amie, An SMA means that you agree to purchase the next three upgrades but the cost is less than if you purchased them separately. However, if you have an old version of Jaws, you have to pay for any upgrades you missed, but you would still have to do that without an SMA. You cannot go from version 10 to version 12, you have to pay for 11 and then 12. It is nothing to do with defragmenting or disc clean up. Is it worth upgrading? That is debateable. I personally don't use all the new things Jaws can do, but there is usually at least one new aspect that is good to have. Hope this is of help. David -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 11 July 2011 13:35 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 And this would help, would it? What can be done, other than regular defragging, which I do anyway? More thanks; you remain my hero. A -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 11 July 2011 11:43 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 SMA is software maintenance agreement. Iain -----Original Message----- From: Amie Slavin Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:56 AM To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 Oh, Ian, now you're going to have to remind me what an SMA is. Sorry. A -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie Sent: 11 July 2011 10:34 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 The last Freedom Scientific podcast said the betas would probably not be available until September. I think you should try and argue for ATW to pay for an SMA. Iain -----Original Message----- From: Amie Slavin Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:14 AM To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 Oh ok, thanks. What's the usual timescale for release, following prelaunch promo? I guess, and hope that, once ATW agree to fund it,I can wait a little while, to see if it's working. Any off-the-record reports yet? Thanks for the post. A -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: 11 July 2011 09:24 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: JAWS 13 It may be being shown at exhibitions, but it's not officially released yet. George. -----Original Message----- From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 11 July 2011 09:17 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] JAWS 13 Hi list I've just had an Access To Work assessment in which it was suggested that I should upgrade to the current version, now being 13, I gather. I still feel like i haven't had 10 for 5 minutes. Don't want to be a stick in the mud, but am slightly nervous of yet more changes. Wonder, what do you all make of 13? How is it working? What's it like? Thanks for any tips. 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