[isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:13:37 -0500
Steve,
While I share the general distain for the SBS MVP community that most of
us here have, I do understand the plight of the poor SBS customer and
consultant. The SBS team doesn't seem to provide much guidance when it
comes to the vagaries of an ISA/SBS configuration, and the SBS MVP
community hasnt' stepped up to the plate to remediate the issue (most
because they see firewalls as things that need "holes" poked in them
that allow "stuff" to flow through those "holes").
So, the hapless SBS consultant really has no where to go except the
general ISA deployment information on the ms.com site and the
isaserver.org site, both of which are focused on how ISA was designed to
be deployed -- on a dedicated box on it's own.
BTW -- someone pointed out to me today that dopes at Gartner dropped ISA
off of its Firewall Magic Quadrant and it cost him a sale. I'm not too
jiggy with how Gartner does things, but this smells like no one greased
Gartner's palms to get listed. Anyone have any more insight into this?
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
Site: www.isaserver.org <http://www.isaserver.org/>
Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 <http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7>
MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
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From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:54 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
They are MVP's because they are providing a service for the SBS
community....:) That does not necessarily mean they know anything about
the app..
S
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:41 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
How can someone be an SBS MVP without knowing anything about
ISA? I mean, to the point that these people are going to SMBNation,
isn't there some slight expectation that at least cursory due diligence
has been performed on the components of the product? Just seems odd to
me. Not entirely unexpected, but not entirely acceptable from a
professional standpoint either.
t
On 10/10/06 6:11 AM, "Amy Babinchak"
<amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to all:
Some talk over on the SBS list. Jim is missed.
There's a real thirst for ISA knowledge among SBS consultants.
(That's not who hangs out on the SBS list. That list is known widely as
the cesspool.) I attended the SMBNation conference and they did the
usual gathering of the MVP's and make them stand in front of the room
and field questions. Guess who, had to answer questions for more than
half of hour allotted? Most had to do with VPN and routing between
multiple networks. Not being an SBS MVP, I refused to get up on stage so
they were forced to bring a mic out to me.
Amy
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