[isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
- From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:16:57 -0400
It's more the but I bought that software, why can't I use it? Because
you can only use it on the machine that you purchased it with and that
one is dead now... problem.
I hate car analogies. This one would have to go something like, for a
limited time only you can purchase this car for $15,000 and we'll throw
in free blue florescent lighting and 1 year free oil changes. (you may
only drive this vehicle on roads with fewer than 3 lanes and the vehicle
can never be sold) Or you can purchase this one for $20,000.
Amy Babinchak
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On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:46 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
Mine do. I use the car / garage anology.
Your car may be a Ford, but you don't go to Detroit to get it fixed.
S
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:41 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
Absolutely. I'm all for getting rid of OEM software all together. I
doubt Microsoft will go for that though. The customer doesn't understand
why OEM is cheaper, no matter how many times you explain it. It simply
doesn't make sense to them.
Amy
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On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:34 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
Wouldn't we have the same concern for any OEM purchase?
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On 10/13/06 10:22 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
spoketh to all:
> Because if ISA isn't protecting the SBS server, then odds are nothing
> is. Most of the sales are by OEM and Dell doesn't care if you have a
> firewall or not. You can order SBS with ISA, from Dell but it'll
arrive
> uninstalled with no instructions or indication that it's even part of
> the package. The OEM channel is really messed up for SBS.
>
> Amy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:16 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
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> Then why the concern for SBS people in the first place? If there is
no
> expertise requirement, and if ISA is not part of the "standard"
package,
> I
> don't understand why one would carve out SBS consultants as having
> "special
> needs" as opposed to the entire general populous having the same
needs.
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> t
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> On 10/13/06 9:34 AM, "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to all:
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>> Easy - it's not part of the requirements.
>> As Amy pointed out, since the majority of sales are SE, ISA is
> considered
>> small beans in the "product authority" validation.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Jim Harrison
>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>> http://isatools.org
>> Read the help / books / articles!
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 08:41
>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
>>
>> How can someone be an SBS MVP without knowing anything about ISA? I
> mean, to
>> the point that these people are going to SMBNation, isn't there some
> slight
>> expectation that at least cursory due diligence has been performed on
> the
>> components of the product? Just seems odd to me. Not entirely
> unexpected,
>> but not entirely acceptable from a professional standpoint either.
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>> On 10/10/06 6:11 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> spoketh
>> to all:
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>> Some talk over on the SBS list. Jim is missed.
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>> There's a real thirst for ISA knowledge among SBS consultants.
(That's
> not who
>> hangs out on the SBS list. That list is known widely as the
cesspool.)
> I
>> attended the SMBNation conference and they did the usual gathering of
> the
>> MVP's and make them stand in front of the room and field questions.
> Guess who,
>> had to answer questions for more than half of hour allotted? Most had
> to do
>> with VPN and routing between multiple networks. Not being an SBS MVP,
> I
>> refused to get up on stage so they were forced to bring a mic out to
> me.
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>> Amy
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