[isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
- From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:09:33 -0700
After closing 2 plants and firing 10,000 people, you probably couldn't have
them fix it if you wanted to ;)
t
On 10/13/06 11:46 AM, "Steve Moffat" <steve@xxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to all:
> Mine do. I use the car / garage anology.
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> Your car may be a Ford, but you don't go to Detroit to get it fixed.
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> S
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:41 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
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> Absolutely. I'm all for getting rid of OEM software all together. I
> doubt Microsoft will go for that though. The customer doesn't understand
> why OEM is cheaper, no matter how many times you explain it. It simply
> doesn't make sense to them.
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> Amy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:34 PM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
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> Wouldn't we have the same concern for any OEM purchase?
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> On 10/13/06 10:22 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> spoketh to all:
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>> Because if ISA isn't protecting the SBS server, then odds are nothing
>> is. Most of the sales are by OEM and Dell doesn't care if you have a
>> firewall or not. You can order SBS with ISA, from Dell but it'll
> arrive
>> uninstalled with no instructions or indication that it's even part of
>> the package. The OEM channel is really messed up for SBS.
>>
>> Amy
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:16 PM
>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
>>
>> Then why the concern for SBS people in the first place? If there is
> no
>> expertise requirement, and if ISA is not part of the "standard"
> package,
>> I
>> don't understand why one would carve out SBS consultants as having
>> "special
>> needs" as opposed to the entire general populous having the same
> needs.
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>> t
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>> On 10/13/06 9:34 AM, "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to all:
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>>> Easy - it's not part of the requirements.
>>> As Amy pointed out, since the majority of sales are SE, ISA is
>> considered
>>> small beans in the "product authority" validation.
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jim Harrison
>>> MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
>>> http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
>>> http://isatools.org
>>> Read the help / books / articles!
>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
>>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 08:41
>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: Jim is Missed
>>>
>>> How can someone be an SBS MVP without knowing anything about ISA? I
>> mean, to
>>> the point that these people are going to SMBNation, isn't there some
>> slight
>>> expectation that at least cursory due diligence has been performed on
>> the
>>> components of the product? Just seems odd to me. Not entirely
>> unexpected,
>>> but not entirely acceptable from a professional standpoint either.
>>>
>>> t
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>>> On 10/10/06 6:11 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> spoketh
>>> to all:
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>>> Some talk over on the SBS list. Jim is missed.
>>>
>>> There's a real thirst for ISA knowledge among SBS consultants.
> (That's
>> not who
>>> hangs out on the SBS list. That list is known widely as the
> cesspool.)
>> I
>>> attended the SMBNation conference and they did the usual gathering of
>> the
>>> MVP's and make them stand in front of the room and field questions.
>> Guess who,
>>> had to answer questions for more than half of hour allotted? Most had
>> to do
>>> with VPN and routing between multiple networks. Not being an SBS MVP,
>> I
>>> refused to get up on stage so they were forced to bring a mic out to
>> me.
>>>
>>> Amy
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>>> All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned.
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