[PCB_FORUM] Re: ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers)
- From: Randy Dawson <rdawson16@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: icu-pcb-forum <icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 01:45:04 -0500
David,
So this is 16.3 and with HDI padstacks defined?
I can run simple test or two, with my vendor to see if it comes across.
And lets ask Cadence if the ODB++ inside translator recognizes this coming out
of Allegro...
Randy
> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:31:40 -0500
> From: Gary.Carter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers)
>
> David,
>
> I'm intrigued by this response. Can you elaborate a bit? We implemented
> Valor Enterprise 3000 more than 10 years ago. At the time we found it to
> be weak in managing drill information and had to build quite a bit of
> custom code to manage it effectively. More recently, as we implemented
> Backdrill (using CopperCAD skill routines) and HDI in our designs, we
> had to pass additional data to describe the HDI and Backdrill
> constructs. In summary, all of our drawings and data are included inside
> the ODB++ zip, but pieces of it are generated by external tools or
> scripts, not Enterprise 3000.
>
> I'm wondering if recent releases of Valor Enterprise have added
> capability, especially where drill data is concerned, that would allow
> us to retire some of this custom code and external process.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary Carter
> Sr. Manager, Design Automation
> Fujitsu Network Commuications, Inc.
> Richardson, Texas
> (972) 479-2236
>
> Hutchins, David J wrote:
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> >
> > ODB++ handles the HDI drill structures correctly (IMHO)
> >
> > We have been using custom skill code for adding back-drill vias for 8+
> > years ( before Cadence added their limited back-drill capability ) &
> > Valor translates those drill structures correctly…
> >
> > *From:* icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Randy Dawson
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 6:06 PM
> > *To:* icu-pcb-forum
> > *Subject:* [PCB_FORUM] Re: ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers)
> >
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > Still in Ft. Collins?
> >
> > I sent ODB++ to my board shop, Prototron while I was at Micron, a few
> > hundred PCBs. And I concur with Oscar, ODB is a good measure of the
> > capabilities of a board shop. (and their financial strength, the V in
> > Valor stands for Very Expensive)
> >
> > Related question does an ODB++ dataset have the intelligence for
> > blind, buried and backdrilling?
> >
> > If we set up the padstacks for HDI technology, is ODB++ suficient or
> > do we still need to split out separate drill files?
> >
> > Randy Dawson
> > Tektronix
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:30:11 -0700
> > From: o.miguelino@xxxxxxxxx
> > To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers)
> >
> > I have been supplying ODB++ to suppliers in Asia, Europe, and US for
> > over a year now. Anyway I have found that quality suppliers support
> > ODB++ and the bad ones do not.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > -oscar
> >
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> > On Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM, jwages <jwages@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > I use both types. It is always good to have gerbers for comparison to
> > the ODB++ files.
> >
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> > *From:* icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Macindoe, Gary
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 6:27 PM
> > *To:* icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [PCB_FORUM] ODB++ output (*.tgz) to Fab (no gerbers)
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Has anyone been supplying only the *.tgz file (instead of gerbers,
> > drill, ipc etc.) to the Fab house?
> >
> > If you have, have you run into any issues (besides a Fab house unable
> > or unwilling to use only the *.tgz file)?
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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> >
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