Ok but, if i see a dead rat, me and my high heels are walking to marks house
and asking him to bring his shovel :)
and gloves.
be safe, use gloves mark.
Mehrnush Saadat
[iPhone]
On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Tiffany Harlow <tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you Mark! I think we all needed that comic relief to lighten the mood
on this list serve. Your help is greatly appreciated on that and the cleanup
efforts.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Mark Riggs <markariggs@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Personally I hope to see a lot of dead rats over the next few days. BTW,
the rat was not dead. When I went to pick it up and throw it away, it tried
to walk away. Hit it over the head with a shovel, picked it up and threw it
away.
If you see a dead one, don't whine and complain, pick it up and throw it
away. It's not that difficult.
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Steven Teal <ussteven.teal@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
When I get home I will get the rat. This is getting ridiculous people.
Poison equals death. Which is what we want.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There is a dead rat outside the pool gate on the side of the dumpster.
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On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Highlanders,
Quick chime in, that is not what I believe she is saying, that would be
silly to think. But I also think everyone might be forgetting that the
rats are the current issue here. Not sure how this took such a turn, but
we are hogging up email space right now with passive aggressive notes and
comments. No need for that, I've yet to meet an unfriendly face in the
neighborhood, before OR after I got a dog, so not sure where this is
coming from.
Perhaps we can schedule a town hall in the next month or so and chat on
all the issues again, placing pamphlets by the mailbox to make it obvious
to those that don't get these emails and encourage those that rent to
come as well. Whether it be fixtures, rats, paint color, visitor spot
etiquette, fines, etc, we can chat on that live.
Have a great weekend, and watch out by the pool for the rats.
Best,
Fellow Neighbor with a cute dog which you can totally pet if you see me
around...trying to socialize him.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Nicole, are you implying that someone can come sit a chair on my porch
area and smoke a cigarette? The bottom line is that people without pets
should not be forced to have dogs pissing and pooping outside their
doors. I have had many dogs in my life and if I had one now, I would not
even have the nerve to take my dog out in front of someone else's place
to alleviate itself.
Having laws about certain fixtures doesn't mean the person does not own
that space, FYI.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Nicole Reedy - WWJWM
<nicole.reedy@xxxxxxx> wrote:
As a condominium you own NOTHING outside of your interior walls.
If you did.. I highly doubt people would still have the old lighting
fixtures, ugly paint combinations and rusted door knobs…
_________________________________________
Nicole Reedy
Executive Assistant to CFO, Tahira Fumo
JAS Worldwide Management, Inc.
6195 Barfield Rd. |Atlanta, GA | 30328
O: +1 (404) 705-7600 | C: +1 (404) 984-9292
Nicole.reedy@xxxxxxx
Skype: Nicole Reedy- JAS
www.jas.com
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From: <highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Tiffany
Harlow
Reply-To: "highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 4:12 PM
To: "highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
And I would argue that the grass area is a part of the sidewalk or area
serving one or more units. If we interpret it any other way then people
could literally just come congregate in front of your front door with
no issue. I doubt that was the intent of the declarations's drafters.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Glenn Abajian <glenn.abajian@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I think this is where there may be some confusion. After reading the
bylaws, it doesn't state that the grass areas are common or limited
common elements.
Per the bylaws:
The limited common elements include:
Any sidewalk or entry gate serving one or more but less than all Units
The sidewalk serving only one unit
The driveway providing entry to the garage of each unit
Any desk attach to and serving only one unit
any enclosed yard area as shown on the Survey or Floors plans
The portion of Common Elements on which there is located any portion
of the air conditioning or heating system exclusively serving a
particular Unit or Units
Any utility meter which serves only one unit
Each unit is assigned one mailbox or mail slot
The Common elements consist of all portions of the Condominium not
located within the boundaries of a Unit. The Common Elements include,
without limitation, certain utilities, fences, entry features, paving,
walls, retaining walls and exterior walls of the building, trash
compactor, awnings, landscape areas, mail area, fitness facility,
swimming pool, clubhouse, limited access fated entry system, and all
personalty, furniture and fixtures located on any common element,
expect items located on any limited common element.
I may be wrong in assuming "landscape areas" include the grass areas
but please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thank you,
Glenn Abajian
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Actually, after a re-read of the declaration and bylaws, I believe
that the sections of grass directly in front of our doors and
driveways are considered "limited common elements" under our rules as
opposed to general "common elements" (such as the gym, pool, etc.) so
in that case, the rules actually state that use of those "limited"
areas are reserved exclusively for the owners of the unit to which
the limited area is assigned.
This would mean that only homeowners who are assigned to those areas,
i.e. live on those "limited" elements, can allow their dogs to use
them. Others would be in violation. That would be my reading of the
actual rules but we can discuss that with CMA and get out some form
of official interpretation at a later date.
In the meantime, I will post that portion of the rules in the mailbox
area along with others I think should be considered as I mentioned in
my earlier email. Thanks.
Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Certainly, as long as the pet owners continue (or start) picking up
around the front gate and or ends of the neighborhood there should
not be a problem.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Tiffany, that is a great idea. There are actually common areas that
are not in front of resident doors that can be utilized for pets to
use. I don't have any issue with that. Thanks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There are side grass areas within the gates you can use as opposed
to directly in front of someone's front door.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I just got a dog last week (some of you have seen the little pup)
and have picked up after him obviously, since I know I'm not
trying to be one of those getting the stink eye. That's being
said, I was told that all outside areas are indeed communal, so
a dog going to the bathroom on it is not against the rules. Since
I'm now part of the pet owners in the neighborhood, I truly wish
I had grass in front of my door ( I definitely don't want to walk
outside the gates on the midnight or 4am walks), but please call
out pet owners that you see not picking up waste.
CMA should 100% place fines on irresponsible pet owners AND folks
throwing away furniture (I'm preaching I know), our more vocal
residents are doing all they can, but CMA should really get more
strict to avoid things escalating like this and having everyone
all of a sudden be upset and vocalizing concerns. Should have
never reached this point (again, I know I'm preaching).
On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Susan Stern <susan.k.stern@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, there is nothing about a dog
relieving itself on the grass that violates any rules. The
violation comes when the owners do not clean up after the pet.
The grassy areas are shared/communal space.
We did talk at the last board meeting (3 of us non-board members
attended--it's a great chance to stay informed and share your
concerns!) about the issue of urine spots in the grass and how
unattractive it is. No immediate solutions were identified, but
we brainstormed several ideas. If anyone is on the listserv
reading this who has a dog, please consider taking them outside
of the gates for their potty breaks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Zane,
Of course there are many rules related to this, among other
things. Unfortunately, as you have seen this week, our
neighbors have very loose interpretations of what those rules
are or have not taken time to actually read them. Trust me,
you are not alone in your sentiment. In the next few weeks, I
will be posting at the mailboxes, relevant portions of our
covenants that I believe residents need to be reminded of and
as Kyle has mentioned, the Board is going to try this year at
being more diligent in enforcing those rules. This may prove
uncomfortable for some, but we have to get some order around
here because many of the major issues we are now tackling, i.e.
the rats, are a direct result of having gotten lax over the
years.
In the meantime, I wouldn't go so far as to suggest you engage
with neighbors that you see violating the rules (although I
will give a long stare sometimes to folks that I see at or near
my patch and it has worked, they move along quickly), but if
you can let us on the board know who to address, we will be
happy to do so on your behalf.
Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Zane Strebor
<planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Speaking of pets, I feel that it is unfair for those of us
without pets to be subjected to dogs pooping all over our
patches of grass. Are they any rules regarding pet owners
being able to utilize the yards of others for their pets? Even
if they pick it up, the stench and remnants remain and attract
insects and rodents toward our houses. I don't feel that is
fair at all. Sometimes I can barely pull out my garage because
people are standing there with the dogs taking a bathroom
break on my patch of grass. Thanks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Traci Houston
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you!!!!
We appreciate all your dedication and efforts to help keep
our community clean.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, thank you Marny. And we should all thank Kyle as a
neighbor and board member for helping to clean up the trash
all week and disposing of this morning's rat. It takes a
village.
Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Kyle Mann
<kylemann1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks Marny,
CMA is supposed to be sending notices to everyone having
those cans, to remove them or be fined going forward.
From: highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org
[mailto:highland-discuss- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ;
Marny Heit
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:44 AM
To: highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
It's also probably a good time for those of you with those
garbage cans full of dog waste outside your doors to get rid
of them unless you want rats on your doorsteps.
Marny Heit
675 Ponce de Leon Ave., NE
Suite 8500
Atlanta, Georgia 30308
T: 404-313-4923
F: 404-393-7393
www.heitlaw.com
On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The dumpster has been emptied this morning and the dead rat
has been disposed of. Neighbors, you will have to understand
that in order to alleviate this rat problem, we will
temporarily see dead rats on occasion and we cannot guarantee
where they will be found. This is unfortunately how
extermination works. We have asked for your patience and
vigilance. Please continue to dispose of your trash
appropriately, hold your trash and do not dump if you see
that the dumpster is already full or overflowing and PLEASE
PLEASE PLEASE do not do this with your dog waste. We will
never get over this hurdle if we continue to just be
careless.
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Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Ibironke Apata
<iwapata@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for sharing the update on the rats. It is truly a
crisis and I'm surprised that we were not made aware
formally. I got the flyer about trash but not about the rats.
On sunday night I easy horrified to see 5 rats by the
dumpster and 2 days later. I spotted 2 rats. I believe the
health department should be notified and all actions being
taken shared with us. The dumpster will continue to be a
source of breedinf. I wonder if we should all have trash cans
we bring out once or twice a week and eliminate the use of a
dumpster.
This community usef to be so clean! Is there a meeting about
this coming up?
On Jun 9, 2017 9:44 AM, "William Hauser"
<wm.hauser@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dead rat in roadway in front of bldg 200
On Jun 8, 2017 8:31 AM, "Christian Pena" <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Isom, that's great information. I do also agree that
in Dennis' absence someone at CMA should help so the board,
who all have day jobs, don't have to handle this.
Please keep talking to your neighbors and bringing it up in
case they are not on the chain. Mention this chain to see if
they are on it, if not, offer to take their email down and
reach out here to add them in. Mention the trash as food
source and how we are trying to get this fixed. OVER
COMMUNICATE! Let's finally all get on the same page and get
this over with. Not only is it gross (and I'm scared of rats
honestly) but the property values will lower while out HOA's
will go up, nobody wins.
Best,
Christian
On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Wenona Belton
<wcbelton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If Dennis is unavailable, who at CMA should be handling? Is
a major rat infestation not considered a crisis that the
property management company should address?
W. Belton
On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:04 AM, isom hawes <isom25@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hello everyone, I'd like to chime in, in hopes of helping out
with some of the concerns regarding the rodent issue. Back
in the early 2000's, I use to work for Orkin and
coincidentally I had a few customers in this same complex.
If I were to assume that extermination methods have not
changed, there are only a couple ways to get rid of the rats.
You either poison them or you set out old school rat traps.
Both methods are effective but depending on the circumstance,
one method will work better than the other. In dealing with
large numbers, as we are now, poison is really the only way
to suppress the population.
Poison, however, will really only be effective if there are
no other food sources for the rats. They will almost always
choose the food in the trash over the poison if they have
access to it. Because of this, extermination of the rats
will have to be a joint effort between us and Orkin. Orkin
can lay out poison from now until next year but the problem
won't start to improve until we stop allowing the rodents
easy access to our trash.
As I understand it, the reason the compactor was removed was
to have it cleaned and to have the space around the compactor
cleaned since over time trash had begun to build up on the
grounds around the compactor. This trash had become a
continuous source of food for the rats making the problem
worse. I noticed a couple of days ago that there was a drain
hole at the base of the temporary dumpster and rats were
going in and out of the hole.... again having easy access to
the trash. I'm sure this easy access was impeding the
efforts of Orkin. Today I went and bought some steel wool
and plugged the hole. I was taught when I worked at Orkin
that rats tend not to chew through it because it cuts their
gums. You may want to give it a try at your homes if you
find small entry points that need to be closed off to prevent
the rats from invading.
As for the length of time it will take to fix this problem,
there is no way to really know. It all depends on how good
of a job we do of making sure the rodents can't get to our
trash. If we can keep them out of our trash, they will then
start to get desperate for food, eat the poison and the
problem will improve sooner rather than later.
From: highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org
<highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org> on behalf of Traci
Houston <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:31 PM
To: planetzane@xxxxxxxxx; highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
Where is the back turn?
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:27 PM, Zane Strebor
<planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder about the health department as well because I just
looked out my window and saw one run out a drain pipe up near
the back turn. They are everywhere!
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Wenona Belton
<wcbelton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am interested in the answers to the questions posed by Ms.
Houston and wonder if perhaps the health department should be
notified?
Thank you,
W. Belton
On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:24 PM, Traci Houston (Redacted sender
"tracihouston" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While circulars were posted to everyone's door I'm not sure
all the residents truly recognize the severity of this rat
infestation. I sure didnt! This is what should be
communicated. If residents knew they were at risk with their
health, informed that the rat infestation could potentially
grow where rodents could enter our homes, and that our
property values could be negatively impacted - maybe people
would listen. This is very serious! I absolutely do not take
this problem lightly. In fact, Im scared to even go to the
dumpster now.
As a homeowner and resident I would like to know what is the
overall detailed action plan to address this issue?
I know that the extermination process started today but
what's involved? What specifically is the exterminator doing?
Who is the exterminator? Are they coming daily? Weekly? How
long will the process last? Does the exterminator have an
aggressive plan of attack? When do they anticipate we will be
rid of these rats? Is this easy to do? Or is this a long term
project? What role do all residents have (other than proper
disposal of trash) during this process? Do we need to
schedule any extermination to our individual homes and who
pays for it? Who do we contact for questions or if we see a
rat in our homes?
My next question is what specifically is being done about the
dumpster? I assume the trash compactor doesnt work at all? If
not, what is the plan to have a working dumpster or are we
going to have more frequent trash pick-up? When will any
action be taken? Whats the timeline?
What responsibility does the HOA mgmt company have in this
entire process - if any at all?
Lastly I think it would be extremely helpful to
over-communicate during this crisis - yes, crisis. If we dont
communicate the seriousness of this issue people will not be
aware of this grave problem. If I wasnt part of this group
thread I wouldnt be aware of anything. If we dont arrest the
problem now we could be at serious risk for other problems
none of us want diwn the road.
There should be communications that are
posted/emailed/mailed/text to all residents that a) outline
the problem we currently have and how it occurred b)
communicate the actions that have been taken and next steps
and c) how we can collectively prevent this from happening in
the future. Along with these communication channels we need
some type of signage - even if temporary - around all common
areas reminding everyone about the trash guidelines.
I have not seen this type of detailed communication just yet.
Is there a plan for one? I am more than willing to assist
with writing the communication and distributing to my fellow
neighbors.
Can someone answer these questions?
Thank You
Traci
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah the person who left the trash needs to come back and get
it. We are all adults here. Members of the board, friends of
the board and random other community members should not have
to do this every time. It's getting ridiculous.
And for the record, if you know you live next door to a
neighbor who is not on this list or who doesn't get the info,
each one teach one, pass the info along.
Word of mouth is not a new concept.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Zane Strebor
<planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Just drove out the gate and there were 2 huge rats feeding
off that bag of trash on the ground. Someone really needs to
move that bag of trash.
On Jun 7, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Jodie Victor
<jodievictor@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've been gone since the Sunday morning, but have read all
the emails from another state. I just left the neighborhood
after being home for about 15 minutes. Sitting by the
compactor is a bag of trash. As I waited for the gate to
open, a rat exited the bag of trash. It is apparently not
clear to all residents of what is currently going on in our
community. Why is that so?
I am a renter, but I am curious why a private company is
being used for trash?
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From: highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org
<highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org> on behalf of Joseph
Curtis <josephcurtis07@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:27:07 PM
To: Highland
Subject: [highland-discuss] RATS!
There is a dead half eaten rat in the back of the pool deck!
Behind the trash can. And many many live rats around the
trash dumpster. We need to put the plug back in the dumpster
because the rats are using it as a door into the dumpster.
buffet time!
Joseph Curtis
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"Subjecting yourself to the perception others have of you will
keep you ordinary."
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Zane
Publisher
Strebor Books/ATRIA Books/Simon and Schuster
Office 202-618-BOOK
"Subjecting yourself to the perception others have of you will keep
you ordinary."
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Publisher
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Office 202-618-BOOK
"Subjecting yourself to the perception others have of you will keep you
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