When I get home I will get the rat. This is getting ridiculous people. Poison
equals death. Which is what we want.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:36 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There is a dead rat outside the pool gate on the side of the dumpster.
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On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Highlanders,
Quick chime in, that is not what I believe she is saying, that would be
silly to think. But I also think everyone might be forgetting that the rats
are the current issue here. Not sure how this took such a turn, but we are
hogging up email space right now with passive aggressive notes and comments.
No need for that, I've yet to meet an unfriendly face in the neighborhood,
before OR after I got a dog, so not sure where this is coming from.
Perhaps we can schedule a town hall in the next month or so and chat on all
the issues again, placing pamphlets by the mailbox to make it obvious to
those that don't get these emails and encourage those that rent to come as
well. Whether it be fixtures, rats, paint color, visitor spot etiquette,
fines, etc, we can chat on that live.
Have a great weekend, and watch out by the pool for the rats.
Best,
Fellow Neighbor with a cute dog which you can totally pet if you see me
around...trying to socialize him.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Nicole, are you implying that someone can come sit a chair on my porch area
and smoke a cigarette? The bottom line is that people without pets should
not be forced to have dogs pissing and pooping outside their doors. I have
had many dogs in my life and if I had one now, I would not even have the
nerve to take my dog out in front of someone else's place to alleviate
itself.
Having laws about certain fixtures doesn't mean the person does not own
that space, FYI.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Nicole Reedy - WWJWM
<nicole.reedy@xxxxxxx> wrote:
As a condominium you own NOTHING outside of your interior walls.
If you did.. I highly doubt people would still have the old lighting
fixtures, ugly paint combinations and rusted door knobs…
_________________________________________
Nicole Reedy
Executive Assistant to CFO, Tahira Fumo
JAS Worldwide Management, Inc.
6195 Barfield Rd. |Atlanta, GA | 30328
O: +1 (404) 705-7600 | C: +1 (404) 984-9292
Nicole.reedy@xxxxxxx
Skype: Nicole Reedy- JAS
www.jas.com
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From: <highland-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Tiffany Harlow
Reply-To: "highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 4:12 PM
To: "highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
And I would argue that the grass area is a part of the sidewalk or area
serving one or more units. If we interpret it any other way then people
could literally just come congregate in front of your front door with no
issue. I doubt that was the intent of the declarations's drafters.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Glenn Abajian <glenn.abajian@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think this is where there may be some confusion. After reading the
bylaws, it doesn't state that the grass areas are common or limited
common elements.
Per the bylaws:
The limited common elements include:
Any sidewalk or entry gate serving one or more but less than all Units
The sidewalk serving only one unit
The driveway providing entry to the garage of each unit
Any desk attach to and serving only one unit
any enclosed yard area as shown on the Survey or Floors plans
The portion of Common Elements on which there is located any portion of
the air conditioning or heating system exclusively serving a particular
Unit or Units
Any utility meter which serves only one unit
Each unit is assigned one mailbox or mail slot
The Common elements consist of all portions of the Condominium not
located within the boundaries of a Unit. The Common Elements include,
without limitation, certain utilities, fences, entry features, paving,
walls, retaining walls and exterior walls of the building, trash
compactor, awnings, landscape areas, mail area, fitness facility,
swimming pool, clubhouse, limited access fated entry system, and all
personalty, furniture and fixtures located on any common element, expect
items located on any limited common element.
I may be wrong in assuming "landscape areas" include the grass areas but
please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thank you,
Glenn Abajian
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Actually, after a re-read of the declaration and bylaws, I believe that
the sections of grass directly in front of our doors and driveways are
considered "limited common elements" under our rules as opposed to
general "common elements" (such as the gym, pool, etc.) so in that case,
the rules actually state that use of those "limited" areas are reserved
exclusively for the owners of the unit to which the limited area is
assigned.
This would mean that only homeowners who are assigned to those areas,
i.e. live on those "limited" elements, can allow their dogs to use them.
Others would be in violation. That would be my reading of the actual
rules but we can discuss that with CMA and get out some form of official
interpretation at a later date.
In the meantime, I will post that portion of the rules in the mailbox
area along with others I think should be considered as I mentioned in my
earlier email. Thanks.
Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Certainly, as long as the pet owners continue (or start) picking up
around the front gate and or ends of the neighborhood there should not
be a problem.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Tiffany, that is a great idea. There are actually common areas that
are not in front of resident doors that can be utilized for pets to
use. I don't have any issue with that. Thanks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There are side grass areas within the gates you can use as opposed to
directly in front of someone's front door.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Christian Pena <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I just got a dog last week (some of you have seen the little pup)
and have picked up after him obviously, since I know I'm not trying
to be one of those getting the stink eye. That's being said, I was
told that all outside areas are indeed communal, so a dog going to
the bathroom on it is not against the rules. Since I'm now part of
the pet owners in the neighborhood, I truly wish I had grass in
front of my door ( I definitely don't want to walk outside the gates
on the midnight or 4am walks), but please call out pet owners that
you see not picking up waste.
CMA should 100% place fines on irresponsible pet owners AND folks
throwing away furniture (I'm preaching I know), our more vocal
residents are doing all they can, but CMA should really get more
strict to avoid things escalating like this and having everyone all
of a sudden be upset and vocalizing concerns. Should have never
reached this point (again, I know I'm preaching).
On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Susan Stern <susan.k.stern@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, there is nothing about a dog
relieving itself on the grass that violates any rules. The
violation comes when the owners do not clean up after the pet. The
grassy areas are shared/communal space.
We did talk at the last board meeting (3 of us non-board members
attended--it's a great chance to stay informed and share your
concerns!) about the issue of urine spots in the grass and how
unattractive it is. No immediate solutions were identified, but we
brainstormed several ideas. If anyone is on the listserv reading
this who has a dog, please consider taking them outside of the
gates for their potty breaks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Zane,
Of course there are many rules related to this, among other
things. Unfortunately, as you have seen this week, our neighbors
have very loose interpretations of what those rules are or have
not taken time to actually read them. Trust me, you are not alone
in your sentiment. In the next few weeks, I will be posting at
the mailboxes, relevant portions of our covenants that I believe
residents need to be reminded of and as Kyle has mentioned, the
Board is going to try this year at being more diligent in
enforcing those rules. This may prove uncomfortable for some, but
we have to get some order around here because many of the major
issues we are now tackling, i.e. the rats, are a direct result of
having gotten lax over the years.
In the meantime, I wouldn't go so far as to suggest you engage
with neighbors that you see violating the rules (although I will
give a long stare sometimes to folks that I see at or near my
patch and it has worked, they move along quickly), but if you can
let us on the board know who to address, we will be happy to do so
on your behalf.
Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Zane Strebor
<planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Speaking of pets, I feel that it is unfair for those of us
without pets to be subjected to dogs pooping all over our patches
of grass. Are they any rules regarding pet owners being able to
utilize the yards of others for their pets? Even if they pick it
up, the stench and remnants remain and attract insects and
rodents toward our houses. I don't feel that is fair at all.
Sometimes I can barely pull out my garage because people are
standing there with the dogs taking a bathroom break on my patch
of grass. Thanks.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Traci Houston
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you!!!!
We appreciate all your dedication and efforts to help keep our
community clean.
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, thank you Marny. And we should all thank Kyle as a
neighbor and board member for helping to clean up the trash all
week and disposing of this morning's rat. It takes a village.
Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Kyle Mann <kylemann1@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Marny,
CMA is supposed to be sending notices to everyone having those
cans, to remove them or be fined going forward.
From: highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org
[mailto:highland-discuss- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ;
Marny Heit
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 10:44 AM
To: highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
It's also probably a good time for those of you with those
garbage cans full of dog waste outside your doors to get rid of
them unless you want rats on your doorsteps.
Marny Heit
675 Ponce de Leon Ave., NE
Suite 8500
Atlanta, Georgia 30308
T: 404-313-4923
F: 404-393-7393
www.heitlaw.com
On Jun 9, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The dumpster has been emptied this morning and the dead rat has
been disposed of. Neighbors, you will have to understand that
in order to alleviate this rat problem, we will temporarily see
dead rats on occasion and we cannot guarantee where they will be
found. This is unfortunately how extermination works. We have
asked for your patience and vigilance. Please continue to
dispose of your trash appropriately, hold your trash and do not
dump if you see that the dumpster is already full or overflowing
and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not do this with your dog waste. We
will never get over this hurdle if we continue to just be
careless.
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Tiffany Harlow, Esq.
tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx
404-931-5567
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Ibironke Apata
<iwapata@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for sharing the update on the rats. It is truly a crisis
and I'm surprised that we were not made aware formally. I got
the flyer about trash but not about the rats. On sunday night I
easy horrified to see 5 rats by the dumpster and 2 days later. I
spotted 2 rats. I believe the health department should be
notified and all actions being taken shared with us. The
dumpster will continue to be a source of breedinf. I wonder if
we should all have trash cans we bring out once or twice a week
and eliminate the use of a dumpster.
This community usef to be so clean! Is there a meeting about
this coming up?
On Jun 9, 2017 9:44 AM, "William Hauser" <wm.hauser@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dead rat in roadway in front of bldg 200
On Jun 8, 2017 8:31 AM, "Christian Pena" <cpena711@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks Isom, that's great information. I do also agree that in
Dennis' absence someone at CMA should help so the board, who all
have day jobs, don't have to handle this.
Please keep talking to your neighbors and bringing it up in case
they are not on the chain. Mention this chain to see if they are
on it, if not, offer to take their email down and reach out here
to add them in. Mention the trash as food source and how we are
trying to get this fixed. OVER COMMUNICATE! Let's finally all
get on the same page and get this over with. Not only is it
gross (and I'm scared of rats honestly) but the property values
will lower while out HOA's will go up, nobody wins.
Best,
Christian
On Jun 8, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Wenona Belton <wcbelton@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
If Dennis is unavailable, who at CMA should be handling? Is a
major rat infestation not considered a crisis that the property
management company should address?
W. Belton
On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:04 AM, isom hawes <isom25@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hello everyone, I'd like to chime in, in hopes of helping out
with some of the concerns regarding the rodent issue. Back in
the early 2000's, I use to work for Orkin and coincidentally I
had a few customers in this same complex. If I were to assume
that extermination methods have not changed, there are only a
couple ways to get rid of the rats. You either poison them or
you set out old school rat traps. Both methods are effective
but depending on the circumstance, one method will work better
than the other. In dealing with large numbers, as we are now,
poison is really the only way to suppress the population.
Poison, however, will really only be effective if there are no
other food sources for the rats. They will almost always choose
the food in the trash over the poison if they have access to it.
Because of this, extermination of the rats will have to be a
joint effort between us and Orkin. Orkin can lay out poison
from now until next year but the problem won't start to improve
until we stop allowing the rodents easy access to our trash.
As I understand it, the reason the compactor was removed was to
have it cleaned and to have the space around the compactor
cleaned since over time trash had begun to build up on the
grounds around the compactor. This trash had become a
continuous source of food for the rats making the problem worse.
I noticed a couple of days ago that there was a drain hole at
the base of the temporary dumpster and rats were going in and
out of the hole.... again having easy access to the trash. I'm
sure this easy access was impeding the efforts of Orkin. Today
I went and bought some steel wool and plugged the hole. I was
taught when I worked at Orkin that rats tend not to chew through
it because it cuts their gums. You may want to give it a try at
your homes if you find small entry points that need to be closed
off to prevent the rats from invading.
As for the length of time it will take to fix this problem,
there is no way to really know. It all depends on how good of a
job we do of making sure the rodents can't get to our trash. If
we can keep them out of our trash, they will then start to get
desperate for food, eat the poison and the problem will improve
sooner rather than later.
From: highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org
<highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org> on behalf of Traci
Houston <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:31 PM
To: planetzane@xxxxxxxxx; highland-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [highland-discuss] Re: RATS!
Where is the back turn?
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:27 PM, Zane Strebor
<planetzane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder about the health department as well because I just
looked out my window and saw one run out a drain pipe up near
the back turn. They are everywhere!
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Wenona Belton
<wcbelton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am interested in the answers to the questions posed by Ms.
Houston and wonder if perhaps the health department should be
notified?
Thank you,
W. Belton
On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:24 PM, Traci Houston (Redacted sender
"tracihouston" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While circulars were posted to everyone's door I'm not sure all
the residents truly recognize the severity of this rat
infestation. I sure didnt! This is what should be communicated.
If residents knew they were at risk with their health, informed
that the rat infestation could potentially grow where rodents
could enter our homes, and that our property values could be
negatively impacted - maybe people would listen. This is very
serious! I absolutely do not take this problem lightly. In fact,
Im scared to even go to the dumpster now.
As a homeowner and resident I would like to know what is the
overall detailed action plan to address this issue?
I know that the extermination process started today but what's
involved? What specifically is the exterminator doing? Who is
the exterminator? Are they coming daily? Weekly? How long will
the process last? Does the exterminator have an aggressive plan
of attack? When do they anticipate we will be rid of these rats?
Is this easy to do? Or is this a long term project? What role do
all residents have (other than proper disposal of trash) during
this process? Do we need to schedule any extermination to our
individual homes and who pays for it? Who do we contact for
questions or if we see a rat in our homes?
My next question is what specifically is being done about the
dumpster? I assume the trash compactor doesnt work at all? If
not, what is the plan to have a working dumpster or are we going
to have more frequent trash pick-up? When will any action be
taken? Whats the timeline?
What responsibility does the HOA mgmt company have in this
entire process - if any at all?
Lastly I think it would be extremely helpful to over-communicate
during this crisis - yes, crisis. If we dont communicate the
seriousness of this issue people will not be aware of this grave
problem. If I wasnt part of this group thread I wouldnt be aware
of anything. If we dont arrest the problem now we could be at
serious risk for other problems none of us want diwn the road.
There should be communications that are
posted/emailed/mailed/text to all residents that a) outline the
problem we currently have and how it occurred b) communicate the
actions that have been taken and next steps and c) how we can
collectively prevent this from happening in the future. Along
with these communication channels we need some type of signage -
even if temporary - around all common areas reminding everyone
about the trash guidelines.
I have not seen this type of detailed communication just yet. Is
there a plan for one? I am more than willing to assist with
writing the communication and distributing to my fellow
neighbors.
Can someone answer these questions?
Thank You
Traci
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Tiffany Harlow
<tiffany.harlow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah the person who left the trash needs to come back and get
it. We are all adults here. Members of the board, friends of
the board and random other community members should not have to
do this every time. It's getting ridiculous.
And for the record, if you know you live next door to a neighbor
who is not on this list or who doesn't get the info, each one
teach one, pass the info along.
Word of mouth is not a new concept.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Zane Strebor <planetzane@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Just drove out the gate and there were 2 huge rats feeding off
that bag of trash on the ground. Someone really needs to move
that bag of trash.
On Jun 7, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Jodie Victor
<jodievictor@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've been gone since the Sunday morning, but have read all the
emails from another state. I just left the neighborhood after
being home for about 15 minutes. Sitting by the compactor is a
bag of trash. As I waited for the gate to open, a rat exited the
bag of trash. It is apparently not clear to all residents of
what is currently going on in our community. Why is that so?
I am a renter, but I am curious why a private company is being
used for trash?
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From: highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org
<highland-discuss-bounce@ freelists.org> on behalf of Joseph
Curtis <josephcurtis07@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:27:07 PM
To: Highland
Subject: [highland-discuss] RATS!
There is a dead half eaten rat in the back of the pool deck!
Behind the trash can. And many many live rats around the trash
dumpster. We need to put the plug back in the dumpster because
the rats are using it as a door into the dumpster. buffet time!
Joseph Curtis
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Office 202-618-BOOK
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